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> Senior engineers started quitting. > The exodus continued. Wasn't this already happening pre-pandemic?
by Tempest1981 5y ago
> Senior engineers started quitting.
> The exodus continued.
Wasn't this already happening pre-pandemic?
- mabbo 5y agoDefinitely. But it's gotten worse, in my view. The Toronto office (where I worked) is seeing a shift in the seniors vs juniors ratio. The rate of senior engineers leaving is exceeding the rate of promotion and hiring- not that Amazon has ever had an easy time hiring senior engineers in Toronto.
- HenryKissinger 5y agoI'm curious. Why? Amazon pays competitively, and they're the biggest player in online retail and cloud services. Why wouldn't engineers want to work for them?
- mabbo 5y agoFor the engineers that can pass Amazon's 'hiring bar', other companies will often match or do better on total comp. For a long time in Toronto they were the highest offer, but those days are over. Amazon also has an on-call culture that - depending on the team - can be brutal. And it's often viewed as the team's own fault and problem to fix. There are some really wonderful niches within Amazon that I will continue to refer friends to.
- EE84M3i 5y agoAmazon doesn't pay competitively.
- pinewurst 5y agoBecause their reputation as an engineering employer is awful?
- CRConrad 5y agoTheir reputation as an employer is as awful as can be. And why would anyone who knows how they treat their warehouse workers -- and who doesn't? -- think they're fundamentally a friend of any employee?
- raydev 5y agoAnyone who does any research during their job hunt will read that Amazon has the worst work-life balance paired with aggressive/punitive performance reviews. The other big names will pay you the same or more and treat you better.
- sam2426679 5y agoexhibit a: https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2021/09/my-wife-was-dying-of-brain-cancer-my-boss-at-amazon-told-me-to-perform-or-quit/ https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2021/09/my-wife-was-dyi...