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This headline might lead you to believe this is a developer taking advantage/stealing from a First Nations Tribe - not the case, this is actually being done by

This headline might lead you to believe this is a developer taking advantage/stealing from a First Nations Tribe - not the case, this is actually being done by the group themselves! Really cool style and density right here makes sense - it's not like they are developing a section of Pacific Spirit Park for this.

version_five 5y ago
Right, so the tribe (band?) leadership will take advantage to enrich themselves. There is zero chance this will actually benefit the "rank and file" - like all handouts, it will just be stolen by the leadership and friends
- protomyth 5y ago
  Depends on the tribe / band. Some are much better than others. In the US, you can generally see it with the casino profits (well, except for states like North Dakota where the state compact doesn't allow direct payments).
  - oh_sigh 5y ago
    The casino profits frequently benefit a select few who are a part of the club, and then the club doesn't let anyone else in, keeping the profits for themselves. Even if you can show you have 100% native ancestry of your given tribe, it is not a given that you will be allowed to officially become part of the tribe.
    - steego 5y ago
      Honestly, it just sounds like you’re hand waving the same old line. I’d love to see a citation or two. My wife’s band settled a huge land claim not too far back. This land claim resulted in a cash payout to all 3000 band members and the rest of the money was put into a trust.
      - oh_sigh 5y ago
        How many members are there of Shakopee Mdewakanton? How many would like to claim membership based on their heritage, even discounting the $X00,000/month check that each member gets?
        steego 5y ago
        There appears to be between 400-600 some members and from what I’ve read, it seems like all the members are receiving a nice share of revenue. How many would like to claim membership? I don’t know, you tell me. It seems like their membership grew, so I would guess people have claimed membership based on their heritage and that their membership was honored. Do you have any specific information you can provide or is it all hand-waving and rhetorical questions?
- epistasis 5y ago
  They are not just enriching themselves, they are enriching thousands of other people that will now have access to Vancouver that didn't before. The only reason to deny something like this is to create artificial scarcity to enrich current Vancouver landowners, who have already been enriched enough, thank you very much. How many times the average wage does a typical Kits house run these days? That's all theft from the rest of society, and should be taxed away and returned to the rest of society.

version_five 5y ago

Right, so the tribe (band?) leadership will take advantage to enrich themselves. There is zero chance this will actually benefit the "rank and file" - like all handouts, it will just be stolen by the leadership and friends

protomyth 5y ago
Depends on the tribe / band. Some are much better than others. In the US, you can generally see it with the casino profits (well, except for states like North Dakota where the state compact doesn't allow direct payments).
- oh_sigh 5y ago
  The casino profits frequently benefit a select few who are a part of the club, and then the club doesn't let anyone else in, keeping the profits for themselves. Even if you can show you have 100% native ancestry of your given tribe, it is not a given that you will be allowed to officially become part of the tribe.
  - steego 5y ago
    Honestly, it just sounds like you’re hand waving the same old line. I’d love to see a citation or two. My wife’s band settled a huge land claim not too far back. This land claim resulted in a cash payout to all 3000 band members and the rest of the money was put into a trust.
    - oh_sigh 5y ago
      How many members are there of Shakopee Mdewakanton? How many would like to claim membership based on their heritage, even discounting the $X00,000/month check that each member gets?
      - steego 5y ago
        There appears to be between 400-600 some members and from what I’ve read, it seems like all the members are receiving a nice share of revenue. How many would like to claim membership? I don’t know, you tell me. It seems like their membership grew, so I would guess people have claimed membership based on their heritage and that their membership was honored. Do you have any specific information you can provide or is it all hand-waving and rhetorical questions?
epistasis 5y ago
They are not just enriching themselves, they are enriching thousands of other people that will now have access to Vancouver that didn't before. The only reason to deny something like this is to create artificial scarcity to enrich current Vancouver landowners, who have already been enriched enough, thank you very much. How many times the average wage does a typical Kits house run these days? That's all theft from the rest of society, and should be taxed away and returned to the rest of society.