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Agreed. I wonder what's driving the upsurge? It's the same in the UK too. I remember being at a park party a few months ago with some fellow 20-25 year olds;

Agreed. I wonder what's driving the upsurge? It's the same in the UK too. I remember being at a park party a few months ago with some fellow 20-25 year olds; I suggested turning the music down, but it took the police to kindly ask for the request to be heeded. What astonished me was that the 20 something girls were indignant at the police's request, as if their human rights were violated.

nerdponx 5y ago
I feel like in general there's been a big increase in selfish antisocial behavior since the pandemic started.
- j_walter 5y ago
  I think the latest generation has been taught that they are more important than anyone else and really lack manners. This is evident in the rise of social media and "influencers".
  - nerdponx 5y ago
    I'm not sure we can blame any particular generation. I see it just as much in people over 40 as I do people under 30, and all ages in between.
  - speedybird 5y ago
    Maybe they spent too much time socializing on the internet (where manners are in short supply and consequences for rudeness nonexistent), and not enough time socializing in the real world (where being rude will eventually get you punched in the face.)
    - Natfan 5y ago
      “The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households." - Socrates, over 2,500 years ago https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kids_these_days https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kids_these_days
      - speedybird 5y ago
        Just because it's been said many times before, doesn't mean it was wrong each of those times. There may be periods where children get worse, and times when children get better. I believe your 'rebuttal' is whig history; a fallacy wherein you assume that history has a linear narrative, trending inexorably only in one direction. Where is the society of Socrates today? Athenian hegemony peaked during Socrates lifespan. But you assume his observations about the declining society he was witness to are wrong? Why? Because we have such marvelous advanced technologies and social ideas today and you interpolate a straight line between these points? That interpolation is whig history.
skocznymroczny 5y ago
I don't know about people specifically using their phone, but the availability of cheap Bluetooth speakers is one factor.
- Cthulhu_ 5y ago
  Cheap and actually really good; ten years ago I wouldn't have thought it possible to get that fidelity and volume out of such a small package.
Cthulhu_ 5y ago
It's because the police doesn't inspire respect anymore. They have violated people's rights too often (in the US mainly), and in the UK they just look comical in a lot of cases. It's the uniforms and the general fitness levels. I don't mind police, but they need to work on discipline. They need to be around more even when they're not responding to anything (proactive instead of reactive). Back in the day (not my day mind you, lol), every neighbourhood would have a neighbourhood policeman that would do the rounds, do a chat with the locals, that kinda thing. But that was the same time where people working for the post were still respected (by their employer); uniform, full-time job and benefits, the works. Nowadays it's an underpaid part-time mcjob.

nerdponx 5y ago

I feel like in general there's been a big increase in selfish antisocial behavior since the pandemic started.

j_walter 5y ago
I think the latest generation has been taught that they are more important than anyone else and really lack manners. This is evident in the rise of social media and "influencers".
- nerdponx 5y ago
  I'm not sure we can blame any particular generation. I see it just as much in people over 40 as I do people under 30, and all ages in between.
- speedybird 5y ago
  Maybe they spent too much time socializing on the internet (where manners are in short supply and consequences for rudeness nonexistent), and not enough time socializing in the real world (where being rude will eventually get you punched in the face.)
  - Natfan 5y ago
    “The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households." - Socrates, over 2,500 years ago https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kids_these_days https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kids_these_days
    - speedybird 5y ago
      Just because it's been said many times before, doesn't mean it was wrong each of those times. There may be periods where children get worse, and times when children get better. I believe your 'rebuttal' is whig history; a fallacy wherein you assume that history has a linear narrative, trending inexorably only in one direction. Where is the society of Socrates today? Athenian hegemony peaked during Socrates lifespan. But you assume his observations about the declining society he was witness to are wrong? Why? Because we have such marvelous advanced technologies and social ideas today and you interpolate a straight line between these points? That interpolation is whig history.

skocznymroczny 5y ago

I don't know about people specifically using their phone, but the availability of cheap Bluetooth speakers is one factor.

Cthulhu_ 5y ago
Cheap and actually really good; ten years ago I wouldn't have thought it possible to get that fidelity and volume out of such a small package.

Cthulhu_ 5y ago

It's because the police doesn't inspire respect anymore. They have violated people's rights too often (in the US mainly), and in the UK they just look comical in a lot of cases. It's the uniforms and the general fitness levels. I don't mind police, but they need to work on discipline. They need to be around more even when they're not responding to anything (proactive instead of reactive). Back in the day (not my day mind you, lol), every neighbourhood would have a neighbourhood policeman that would do the rounds, do a chat with the locals, that kinda thing. But that was the same time where people working for the post were still respected (by their employer); uniform, full-time job and benefits, the works. Nowadays it's an underpaid part-time mcjob.