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Meanwhile Belgium had around 20% excess deaths and much much stricter lockdowns. Most of Sweden’s excess deaths occurred in nursing homes, which weren’t protect

Meanwhile Belgium had around 20% excess deaths and much much stricter lockdowns. Most of Sweden’s excess deaths occurred in nursing homes, which weren’t protected enough; it had nothing to do with regular people eating at restaurants and everything to do with the protocol at those specific places. It’s quite obvious that lockdowns have dubious effects(if any) while the harms and detriment to society never seem to be measured or are dismissed flippantly as people just wanting to eat out.

smt88 5y ago
If your theory about the deaths being in nursing homes were true, we wouldn't have seen excess deaths in 2020 in age groups under 75. That was not the case[1]. Even 50-year-olds in Sweden had a spike of deaths in 2020. Norwegians were locked down and seem to be fine. They're not dead, at least. 1. https://academic.oup.com/eurpub/article/31/1/17/5968985 https://academic.oup.com/eurpub/article/31/1/17/5968985
- kaczordon 5y ago
  It's not a theory, 50% of all COVID deaths were in nursing homes: https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-sweden-commission/sweden-failed-to-protect-elderly-in-covid-pandemic-commission-finds-idUSKBN28P1PP https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-sweden-co... Also the paper you linked agrees with me, The highest age groups, i.e. ages 80 and above, were most strongly affected by the pandemic.
  - magicalist 5y ago
    I think the "theory" being referred to is > it had nothing to do with regular people eating at restaurants and everything to do with the protocol at those specific places Also if we're going to be pedantic, we should be consistently pedantic: > 50% of all COVID deaths were in nursing homes that article actually says under 50% and it's from December 2020.
    - kaczordon 5y ago
      Nothing in this comment contradicts what I've said, majority of deaths were at nursing homes and better protocols would've helped them. Still haven't addressed my point about Belgium having more restrictive lockdowns and a higher excess mortality. I guess being pedantic is easier.
      - dvsfish 5y ago
        You can't both be pedantic and then attack the other person for being pedantic and expect to get anywhere. Also "Just under half" is not a majority, which is actually an important distinction considering the angle your argument takes (that is - downplaying the impact on other demographics).
mckirk 5y ago
If you consider Sweden's sparse population density (except for a few hotspots like Stockholm) and their 'natural tendency' towards social distancing, it's really quite telling that they've managed such a rate of excess deaths. The freedom might have been worth it in some regards, but it certainly came at a price.

smt88 5y ago

If your theory about the deaths being in nursing homes were true, we wouldn't have seen excess deaths in 2020 in age groups under 75. That was not the case[1]. Even 50-year-olds in Sweden had a spike of deaths in 2020. Norwegians were locked down and seem to be fine. They're not dead, at least. 1. https://academic.oup.com/eurpub/article/31/1/17/5968985 https://academic.oup.com/eurpub/article/31/1/17/5968985

kaczordon 5y ago
It's not a theory, 50% of all COVID deaths were in nursing homes: https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-sweden-commission/sweden-failed-to-protect-elderly-in-covid-pandemic-commission-finds-idUSKBN28P1PP https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-sweden-co... Also the paper you linked agrees with me, The highest age groups, i.e. ages 80 and above, were most strongly affected by the pandemic.
- magicalist 5y ago
  I think the "theory" being referred to is > it had nothing to do with regular people eating at restaurants and everything to do with the protocol at those specific places Also if we're going to be pedantic, we should be consistently pedantic: > 50% of all COVID deaths were in nursing homes that article actually says under 50% and it's from December 2020.
  - kaczordon 5y ago
    Nothing in this comment contradicts what I've said, majority of deaths were at nursing homes and better protocols would've helped them. Still haven't addressed my point about Belgium having more restrictive lockdowns and a higher excess mortality. I guess being pedantic is easier.
    - dvsfish 5y ago
      You can't both be pedantic and then attack the other person for being pedantic and expect to get anywhere. Also "Just under half" is not a majority, which is actually an important distinction considering the angle your argument takes (that is - downplaying the impact on other demographics).

mckirk 5y ago

If you consider Sweden's sparse population density (except for a few hotspots like Stockholm) and their 'natural tendency' towards social distancing, it's really quite telling that they've managed such a rate of excess deaths. The freedom might have been worth it in some regards, but it certainly came at a price.