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Definitely makes sense. A response I can offer you is this, And it’s loaded with empathy because I def get that people derived real fun from it. A lot of peop

Definitely makes sense. A response I can offer you is this, And it’s loaded with empathy because I def get that people derived real fun from it. A lot of people attended those after-hour drinks as the semi-mandatory things they are, either for career survival or career acceleration reasons. This was always a large background narrative, and the death of it as of now is a nice thing. I’d take quarterly team dinners and an 30 min zoom with beers any time. 7am-5pm, and the 5-7pm additions to work life on a often weekly basis demands a lot out of people went to them just to manage their career. What frustrates a lot of people, and generates the tone on HN perhaps, is that this aspect isn’t acknowledged in exchange for “but it was my social life!” Your social life cut into my real non-work social life (or so the comment would go).

jrockway 5y ago
I totally understand that. I think we've made the world a little bit more fair for everyone by forcing people to schedule a 30 minute meeting during work hours to just chat or play games or whatever. No screwing up the commute, no forcing people to drink intoxicating substances, etc. Definitely net better. But, I personally enjoyed people being forced to socialize with me ;)
- dogman144 5y ago
  Respect the candor!
whywhywhywhy 5y ago
You might be surprised to realize in a few years that they haven't died, you're just excluded from them. You might not like it, but after work drinking is one of the areas where a lot of the meat of innovation and progression in the company happens. I think a lot of people who double down on full remote are going to be surprised when they wake up in 5 years and realize they're pretty stagnant and have just become cogs to do the boring work. Which they might be fine with but I'm sure I'll be reading comments from them complaining about how their pay matches that too.
- dogman144 5y ago
  Lol, you'd be surprised to learn I'm not surprised in my expectation that these things will come back. Referring to their death literally because the bars are closed for the last year and a half, despite the hit to innovation and progression that causes. And I'll go to them once they're back, see "career progression reasons." The light ire my last comment contains is directed at the people that view these as lightweight friend happy hours, which these events have never been. Golden rule - if my boss is remote, I'm still ok with remote. That said, your theory takes a hit with a full remote company at the eng and exec level, which many Series B/C/D startups are turning into.
  - whywhywhywhy 5y ago
    Feel free to downvote me again and laugh but as someone who's office is back in the city. Thing ARE already back to normal, you just have no idea yet as a remote drone. I'll stop trying to help you and stop giving you cheat codes at this point. In 5 years we'll know who was correct.
    - dogman144 5y ago
      I live in a large tech city you’d know, a venture-backed place on lists you’d recognize, and at a career point where I’ve played these cheat-codes already. I stayed in the city for the same reasons you’d advocate for. The offices are 1/4 full, financial districts around it are a ghost town, and companies are shedding real estate. I can’t down vote comments that are direct replies to me. Yeesh.

jrockway 5y ago

I totally understand that. I think we've made the world a little bit more fair for everyone by forcing people to schedule a 30 minute meeting during work hours to just chat or play games or whatever. No screwing up the commute, no forcing people to drink intoxicating substances, etc. Definitely net better. But, I personally enjoyed people being forced to socialize with me ;)

dogman144 5y ago
Respect the candor!

whywhywhywhy 5y ago

You might be surprised to realize in a few years that they haven't died, you're just excluded from them. You might not like it, but after work drinking is one of the areas where a lot of the meat of innovation and progression in the company happens. I think a lot of people who double down on full remote are going to be surprised when they wake up in 5 years and realize they're pretty stagnant and have just become cogs to do the boring work. Which they might be fine with but I'm sure I'll be reading comments from them complaining about how their pay matches that too.

dogman144 5y ago
Lol, you'd be surprised to learn I'm not surprised in my expectation that these things will come back. Referring to their death literally because the bars are closed for the last year and a half, despite the hit to innovation and progression that causes. And I'll go to them once they're back, see "career progression reasons." The light ire my last comment contains is directed at the people that view these as lightweight friend happy hours, which these events have never been. Golden rule - if my boss is remote, I'm still ok with remote. That said, your theory takes a hit with a full remote company at the eng and exec level, which many Series B/C/D startups are turning into.
- whywhywhywhy 5y ago
  Feel free to downvote me again and laugh but as someone who's office is back in the city. Thing ARE already back to normal, you just have no idea yet as a remote drone. I'll stop trying to help you and stop giving you cheat codes at this point. In 5 years we'll know who was correct.
  - dogman144 5y ago
    I live in a large tech city you’d know, a venture-backed place on lists you’d recognize, and at a career point where I’ve played these cheat-codes already. I stayed in the city for the same reasons you’d advocate for. The offices are 1/4 full, financial districts around it are a ghost town, and companies are shedding real estate. I can’t down vote comments that are direct replies to me. Yeesh.