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You changed the threshold from "overwhelming the healthcare system" to "using the healthcare system". and think you're being clever. That won't work here. >See

by mthoms 5y ago

You changed the threshold from "overwhelming the healthcare system" to "using the healthcare system". and think you're being clever. That won't work here. >See, what you're saying is: I don't believe you should have freedom. Save the drama, special snowflake. What we're saying, very clearly is "do your part to save lives". If you're too selfish to do that, the rest of us don't want to be around you. Not because we think you're jerks (we do), but because you might kill us. Is that unreasonable? Honestly? Your rights end when they threaten the safety of others. It's been that way since the concept of "rights" came into existence. This isn't a new concept. It's a basic tenet of a working democratic society. It always has been.

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switch007 5y ago
The UK healthcare system is constantly overwhelmed. What do you think it was overwhelmed by in the years 2019 and earlier? Every single winter he NHS is on the brink of collapse. You can easily find the stories. > do your part to save lives I know that’s what you’re saying. So what’s your diet? How much does your car pollute? And the statistics are stacked well against you in your accusation that an unvaccinated person will kill you. Save the drama
- mthoms 5y ago
  > overwhelmed You know very well the load on the health system is not the same now as it was pre-covid. Just stop with the word games, it's embarrassing (as is the whataboutism for that matter). For example: My dad's cancer treatment was never delayed pre-covid. It was after. That's entirely unprecedented. >your accusation that an unvaccinated person will kill you. Surprise! There you go with more words games instead of honest debate (changing what I said from "might kill" to "will kill"). Listen, this arguing style might work in your circles but not with actual informed grown ups. Do better. This is laughable.
  - switch007 5y ago
    > You know very well the load on the health system is not the same now as it was pre-covid I never claimed it was. Listen, this arguing style might work in your circles but not with actual informed grown ups. Do better. This is laughable. You are ignoring everything in my replies and not engaging
    - mthoms 5y ago
      Anyone who shamelessly changes their debate opponent's quote from "might kill" to "will kill" as a form of gotcha is either an asshole or stupid. If, after it was pointed out to them they don't even acknowledge it, then it could even be both. You think the reader doesn't notice stuff like that? You think the reader doesn't notice when you disingenuously equated the current "overwhelmed" health care system with the pre-covid "overwhelmed" health care system? And then in your latest reply, never claimed that's what you did? It's right there for anyone to read: You're not engaging in the conversation honestly. Don't bother replying - I'm looking to converse/debate with only capable, intelligent people.
      - switch007 5y ago
        I didn't quote, first of all. And I didn't change the meaning. The difference in will vs might is of no significance in my sentence. You just saw saw red, picked a tiny little thing to go off the rails about as an excuse not to engage. I said: "the statistics ... that an unvaccinated person will kill you". If I had written "the statistics ... that an unvaccinated person might kill you" the meaning is exactly the same. The 'statistic' we're /both/ referring to is the statistic of spreading, someone catching, and dying. Not "might die", the actual incidence of dying. Studies wouldn't measure the incidence of "might" deaths. But you know that So now that's cleared up: what is the chances of the unvaccinated "might" killing you? Which statistics have you seen? (I'm double vaccinated btw ;-)
        mthoms 5y ago
        As I said, I'm not interested in word games. So far you've needlessly conflated using the healthcare system with overwhelming the healthcare system (then denied it), implied that the health care system was comparably overloaded before Covid (then denied it), and then introduced a needless debate around whether or not being around in an un-vaxed person could kill you. What is it about that sentence you are debating exactly? Are you saying it's false, or that me and my loved ones have too low risk of death tolerance? Those are the only two options. Understand: The degree to which this risk is acceptable is not up to YOU to decide. Go ahead, put yourself at risk all you want, you have no right to put the safety of others at risk. So do what you want. But we, the rest of society, would like you to stay away from us until this boils over.

by mthoms 5y ago

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switch007 5y ago

The UK healthcare system is constantly overwhelmed. What do you think it was overwhelmed by in the years 2019 and earlier? Every single winter he NHS is on the brink of collapse. You can easily find the stories. > do your part to save lives I know that’s what you’re saying. So what’s your diet? How much does your car pollute? And the statistics are stacked well against you in your accusation that an unvaccinated person will kill you. Save the drama

mthoms 5y ago
> overwhelmed You know very well the load on the health system is not the same now as it was pre-covid. Just stop with the word games, it's embarrassing (as is the whataboutism for that matter). For example: My dad's cancer treatment was never delayed pre-covid. It was after. That's entirely unprecedented. >your accusation that an unvaccinated person will kill you. Surprise! There you go with more words games instead of honest debate (changing what I said from "might kill" to "will kill"). Listen, this arguing style might work in your circles but not with actual informed grown ups. Do better. This is laughable.
- switch007 5y ago
  > You know very well the load on the health system is not the same now as it was pre-covid I never claimed it was. Listen, this arguing style might work in your circles but not with actual informed grown ups. Do better. This is laughable. You are ignoring everything in my replies and not engaging
  - mthoms 5y ago
    Anyone who shamelessly changes their debate opponent's quote from "might kill" to "will kill" as a form of gotcha is either an asshole or stupid. If, after it was pointed out to them they don't even acknowledge it, then it could even be both. You think the reader doesn't notice stuff like that? You think the reader doesn't notice when you disingenuously equated the current "overwhelmed" health care system with the pre-covid "overwhelmed" health care system? And then in your latest reply, never claimed that's what you did? It's right there for anyone to read: You're not engaging in the conversation honestly. Don't bother replying - I'm looking to converse/debate with only capable, intelligent people.
    - switch007 5y ago
      I didn't quote, first of all. And I didn't change the meaning. The difference in will vs might is of no significance in my sentence. You just saw saw red, picked a tiny little thing to go off the rails about as an excuse not to engage. I said: "the statistics ... that an unvaccinated person will kill you". If I had written "the statistics ... that an unvaccinated person might kill you" the meaning is exactly the same. The 'statistic' we're /both/ referring to is the statistic of spreading, someone catching, and dying. Not "might die", the actual incidence of dying. Studies wouldn't measure the incidence of "might" deaths. But you know that So now that's cleared up: what is the chances of the unvaccinated "might" killing you? Which statistics have you seen? (I'm double vaccinated btw ;-)
      - mthoms 5y ago
        As I said, I'm not interested in word games. So far you've needlessly conflated using the healthcare system with overwhelming the healthcare system (then denied it), implied that the health care system was comparably overloaded before Covid (then denied it), and then introduced a needless debate around whether or not being around in an un-vaxed person could kill you. What is it about that sentence you are debating exactly? Are you saying it's false, or that me and my loved ones have too low risk of death tolerance? Those are the only two options. Understand: The degree to which this risk is acceptable is not up to YOU to decide. Go ahead, put yourself at risk all you want, you have no right to put the safety of others at risk. So do what you want. But we, the rest of society, would like you to stay away from us until this boils over.