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That is a very weak rebuttal and does nothing to address that fact that risk from COVID once you are vaccinated falls below the other accepted risks of society.

by syshum 5y ago

That is a very weak rebuttal and does nothing to address that fact that risk from COVID once you are vaccinated falls below the other accepted risks of society. Care to address that or do you just want to keep building strawmen?

ceejayoz 5y ago
> once you are vaccinated Again, this is fairly key. A large portion of the country is not yet eligible for the vaccines at this time. > That is a very weak rebuttal That is a very weak rebuttal.
- syshum 5y ago
  2 Points 1. Vaccinated people still spread covid, Vaccination primary effect makes a person asymptomatic, this has been proven. 2. "Large portion" is false, it is children under 12, who have a lower chance of serious illness than a vaccinated person. That said if you as a parent feel that risk to do high then you as a parent can take measures to ensure you children only come in contact with vaccinated person, this however does not mean you can impose that desire via government. To be clear I am fine with parents advocating business require vaccinations of their own business policy, I am not fine with government telling a Bar that is for adults they also must require vaccinations. Government mandates bad, private business choices good.
  - ceejayoz 5y ago
    > Vaccinated people still spread covid Vaccinated people still spread COVID, but they're less likely to. https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/vaccinated-people-are-less-likely-spread-covid-new-research-finds-n1280583 https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/vaccinated-people... "When infected with the delta variant, a given contact was 65 percent less likely to test positive if the person from whom the exposure occurred was fully vaccinated with two doses of the Pfizer vaccine. With AstraZeneca, a given contact was 36 percent less likely to test positive if the person from whom the exposure occurred was fully vaccinated." > "Large portion" is false, it is children under 12 That's about 50 million Americans, a number I consider fairly large. https://www.statista.com/statistics/457786/number-of-children-in-the-us-by-age/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/457786/number-of-childre...
    - native_samples 5y ago
      That's clearly not true given that the number of cases in highly vaccinated countries is as high or higher than before. Firstly, NBC? They're not exactly going to give you a balanced view, are they. Anyway. The article is about an academic study. Those are near worthless: even theoretical studies with 100% external validity frequently come out too late to be informative. The real world data is what matters here. Perhaps someone who was literally just jabbed spreads it less, but if the protection lasts three months it's irrelevant and misleading to make a temporally unbounded claim "vaccinated people are less likely to spread COVID".

by syshum 5y ago

ceejayoz 5y ago

> once you are vaccinated Again, this is fairly key. A large portion of the country is not yet eligible for the vaccines at this time. > That is a very weak rebuttal That is a very weak rebuttal.

syshum 5y ago
2 Points 1. Vaccinated people still spread covid, Vaccination primary effect makes a person asymptomatic, this has been proven. 2. "Large portion" is false, it is children under 12, who have a lower chance of serious illness than a vaccinated person. That said if you as a parent feel that risk to do high then you as a parent can take measures to ensure you children only come in contact with vaccinated person, this however does not mean you can impose that desire via government. To be clear I am fine with parents advocating business require vaccinations of their own business policy, I am not fine with government telling a Bar that is for adults they also must require vaccinations. Government mandates bad, private business choices good.
- ceejayoz 5y ago
  > Vaccinated people still spread covid Vaccinated people still spread COVID, but they're less likely to. https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/vaccinated-people-are-less-likely-spread-covid-new-research-finds-n1280583 https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/vaccinated-people... "When infected with the delta variant, a given contact was 65 percent less likely to test positive if the person from whom the exposure occurred was fully vaccinated with two doses of the Pfizer vaccine. With AstraZeneca, a given contact was 36 percent less likely to test positive if the person from whom the exposure occurred was fully vaccinated." > "Large portion" is false, it is children under 12 That's about 50 million Americans, a number I consider fairly large. https://www.statista.com/statistics/457786/number-of-children-in-the-us-by-age/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/457786/number-of-childre...
  - native_samples 5y ago
    That's clearly not true given that the number of cases in highly vaccinated countries is as high or higher than before. Firstly, NBC? They're not exactly going to give you a balanced view, are they. Anyway. The article is about an academic study. Those are near worthless: even theoretical studies with 100% external validity frequently come out too late to be informative. The real world data is what matters here. Perhaps someone who was literally just jabbed spreads it less, but if the protection lasts three months it's irrelevant and misleading to make a temporally unbounded claim "vaccinated people are less likely to spread COVID".