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It's probably all the anti-natalist propaganda. Well, at the end of the day anti-natalism is a problem that solves itself, populations that are inmune to those

It's probably all the anti-natalist propaganda. Well, at the end of the day anti-natalism is a problem that solves itself, populations that are inmune to those memes will thrive, and others will disappear.

Valgrim 5y ago
Could you point to some examples of anti-natalist propaganda? I have absolutely no idea what it looks like. Maybe I've been living under an algorithmic rock since I do have children and my phone knows it?
- Ambolia 5y ago
  Just google something like "having children" and skim the results. For me I get, from the first articles appearing: - "Mothers who regret having children are speaking up" - "The Two Reasons Parents Regret Having Kids" - "Many people we spoke to about the childfree life said they were happy with pets instead." - "Why having kids doesn’t necessarily make you happier, according to research"
  - Tanjreeve 5y ago
    None of those sound like "don't have kids" they're various flavours of "Children are not a self contained solution for everlasting happiness" which seems reasonable enough to me.
  - toomuchtodo 5y ago
    One person's research and awareness is another person's propaganda.
  - Valgrim 5y ago
    Interesting. My results are much more balanced and analytical... -This is what I tell friends who are torn about having children -Things to Consider before Having a Baby -One Legacy of the Pandemic May Be Less Judgment of the Child-Free
senortumnus 5y ago
Yes and relatively quickly too
travisporter 5y ago
Not sure id you’re being tongue in cheek. Anti-natalism (which I just looked up on Wikipedia) seems to have a very long history. All nations and people (with a few cultural exceptions where childbearing is vital to identity) start having fewer kids as wealth and education improves.
prepend 5y ago
I read a book description [0] recently about “anti-memetics” or anti-memes, ideas that don’t want to spread. Stuff like taboo secrets. Anti-natalism seems anti-memetic because the adherents don’t reproduce enough to carry on these serious philosophies to their belief. It makes me think about how these ideas end up spreading anyway. So it could be so good that it convinces people. Or there could be false adherents. There’s some religions that don’t allow sex (eg, Shakers [1]) and it’s curious to me that they still exist since they only grow through converts with each member dying off and rarely reproducing. [0] https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/54870256 https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/54870256 [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakers

Valgrim 5y ago

Could you point to some examples of anti-natalist propaganda? I have absolutely no idea what it looks like. Maybe I've been living under an algorithmic rock since I do have children and my phone knows it?

Ambolia 5y ago
Just google something like "having children" and skim the results. For me I get, from the first articles appearing: - "Mothers who regret having children are speaking up" - "The Two Reasons Parents Regret Having Kids" - "Many people we spoke to about the childfree life said they were happy with pets instead." - "Why having kids doesn’t necessarily make you happier, according to research"
- Tanjreeve 5y ago
  None of those sound like "don't have kids" they're various flavours of "Children are not a self contained solution for everlasting happiness" which seems reasonable enough to me.
- toomuchtodo 5y ago
  One person's research and awareness is another person's propaganda.
- Valgrim 5y ago
  Interesting. My results are much more balanced and analytical... -This is what I tell friends who are torn about having children -Things to Consider before Having a Baby -One Legacy of the Pandemic May Be Less Judgment of the Child-Free

senortumnus 5y ago

Yes and relatively quickly too

travisporter 5y ago

Not sure id you’re being tongue in cheek. Anti-natalism (which I just looked up on Wikipedia) seems to have a very long history. All nations and people (with a few cultural exceptions where childbearing is vital to identity) start having fewer kids as wealth and education improves.

prepend 5y ago

I read a book description [0] recently about “anti-memetics” or anti-memes, ideas that don’t want to spread. Stuff like taboo secrets. Anti-natalism seems anti-memetic because the adherents don’t reproduce enough to carry on these serious philosophies to their belief. It makes me think about how these ideas end up spreading anyway. So it could be so good that it convinces people. Or there could be false adherents. There’s some religions that don’t allow sex (eg, Shakers [1]) and it’s curious to me that they still exist since they only grow through converts with each member dying off and rarely reproducing. [0] https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/54870256 https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/54870256 [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakers