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"Deanna Doucette was the first pregnant girl to attend the home after Teen Challenge took over. She arrived in 2001, when she was fourteen. A few weeks from her

"Deanna Doucette was the first pregnant girl to attend the home after Teen Challenge took over. She arrived in 2001, when she was fourteen. A few weeks from her due date, she snuck out of a window and ran away to a gas station, where she called her boyfriend, the father of her child. But before help arrived the police showed up and returned her to Teen Challenge. In the car, she told the officers, “Don’t take me back—they’re forcing me to give away my baby.” Five months were added to her program at Teen Challenge, for running away." Damn, this is some demonic shit. I love all the political connections they talked about in the article which keep this legal

suifbwish 5y ago
Why is it that everyone seems to be okay with someone having no human rights until they are 18? In the USA people under 18 are viewed as property. What they need is for an entire fraternity of law students to show up and demand to tour their facility.
- JumpCrisscross 5y ago
  > Why is it that everyone seems to be okay with someone having no human rights until they are 18? In the USA people under 18 are viewed as property. For starters, because these statements are not true [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_young_people%27s_rights_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_young_people%27s_r...
  - cycomanic 5y ago
    While you are correct it is not everyone, as an outsider it is still striking how different kids rights are viewed in the states compared to Europe/Oceania. The OP is correct that you hear the "it's my child I have ultimate control over it" is much more expressed by US Americans than pretty much anywhere else. So much so that when there is discussions of restrictions this is considered to impede on the fundamental freedoms of the parents (yes the irony).
    - drfxyjhdyfrhgc 5y ago
      >...you hear the "it's my child I have ultimate control over it" is much more expressed by US Americans than pretty much anywhere else... Probably true, but technically because the sentiment is expressed in English. Non-western cultures often take some things a few steps further.
    - bserge 5y ago
      Yet many European countries have no concept of emancipation.
  - pjc50 5y ago
    Where does "not ratifying the UN convention on rights of the child" fit in that timeline?
pjc50 5y ago
Similar to the Irish "magdalene laundries" of the 20th century. Or the Canadian "residential schools". Both of which have their mass graves of babies. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/03/mass-grave-of-babies-and-children-found-at-tuam-orphanage-in-ireland https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/03/mass-grave-of-... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-57592243 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-57592243 Perhaps someone should go round the American institutions with ground-penetrating radar and a shovel.
- jonny_eh 5y ago
  > Perhaps someone should go round the American institutions with ground-penetrating radar and a shovel. No matter how bad the scandal is in Canada, I'm positive that the crimes in the US are magnitudes worse.
- floor2 5y ago
  From the HN guidelines: "Eschew flamebait. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents." and "Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle" You seem to be commenting a lot of unrelated, tangential things to create a narrative aligned to your political beliefs. Something to consider.
  - FireBeyond 5y ago
    They mentioned the abuses and crimes of religious charitable organizations in Canada. And the abuses and crimes of religious charitable organizations in the UK... ... in a discussion about the abuses and crimes of religious charitable organizations in the US. I think they're entirely related. They may not be the same organization, but there's systemic patterns evident in such things, and I think your conclusion is, at the least, a little grasping.
- Avshalom 5y ago
  It's been proposed, we'll see how far it gets https://www.krqe.com/news/politics-government/haaland-leads-investigation-on-federal-native-american-boarding-schools/ https://www.krqe.com/news/politics-government/haaland-leads-... on a local note: https://sourcenm.com/2021/09/03/indigenous-leaders-seek-an-apology-about-the-mass-gravesite-in-albuquerque/ https://sourcenm.com/2021/09/03/indigenous-leaders-seek-an-a...

suifbwish 5y ago

Why is it that everyone seems to be okay with someone having no human rights until they are 18? In the USA people under 18 are viewed as property. What they need is for an entire fraternity of law students to show up and demand to tour their facility.

JumpCrisscross 5y ago
> Why is it that everyone seems to be okay with someone having no human rights until they are 18? In the USA people under 18 are viewed as property. For starters, because these statements are not true [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_young_people%27s_rights_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_young_people%27s_r...
- cycomanic 5y ago
  While you are correct it is not everyone, as an outsider it is still striking how different kids rights are viewed in the states compared to Europe/Oceania. The OP is correct that you hear the "it's my child I have ultimate control over it" is much more expressed by US Americans than pretty much anywhere else. So much so that when there is discussions of restrictions this is considered to impede on the fundamental freedoms of the parents (yes the irony).
  - drfxyjhdyfrhgc 5y ago
    >...you hear the "it's my child I have ultimate control over it" is much more expressed by US Americans than pretty much anywhere else... Probably true, but technically because the sentiment is expressed in English. Non-western cultures often take some things a few steps further.
  - bserge 5y ago
    Yet many European countries have no concept of emancipation.
- pjc50 5y ago
  Where does "not ratifying the UN convention on rights of the child" fit in that timeline?

pjc50 5y ago

Similar to the Irish "magdalene laundries" of the 20th century. Or the Canadian "residential schools". Both of which have their mass graves of babies. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/03/mass-grave-of-babies-and-children-found-at-tuam-orphanage-in-ireland https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/03/mass-grave-of-... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-57592243 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-57592243 Perhaps someone should go round the American institutions with ground-penetrating radar and a shovel.

jonny_eh 5y ago
> Perhaps someone should go round the American institutions with ground-penetrating radar and a shovel. No matter how bad the scandal is in Canada, I'm positive that the crimes in the US are magnitudes worse.
floor2 5y ago
From the HN guidelines: "Eschew flamebait. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents." and "Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle" You seem to be commenting a lot of unrelated, tangential things to create a narrative aligned to your political beliefs. Something to consider.
- FireBeyond 5y ago
  They mentioned the abuses and crimes of religious charitable organizations in Canada. And the abuses and crimes of religious charitable organizations in the UK... ... in a discussion about the abuses and crimes of religious charitable organizations in the US. I think they're entirely related. They may not be the same organization, but there's systemic patterns evident in such things, and I think your conclusion is, at the least, a little grasping.
Avshalom 5y ago
It's been proposed, we'll see how far it gets https://www.krqe.com/news/politics-government/haaland-leads-investigation-on-federal-native-american-boarding-schools/ https://www.krqe.com/news/politics-government/haaland-leads-... on a local note: https://sourcenm.com/2021/09/03/indigenous-leaders-seek-an-apology-about-the-mass-gravesite-in-albuquerque/ https://sourcenm.com/2021/09/03/indigenous-leaders-seek-an-a...