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The City is not even remotely independent of the government. Name one way in which it is so? It is also part of London proper, just separate from the GLA, e.g.

The City is not even remotely independent of the government. Name one way in which it is so? It is also part of London proper, just separate from the GLA, e.g. it is part of London Councils.

dijit 5y ago
My understanding is that it's the only territory in the UK not under the Crown. The government is an extension of her majesty, and since the Queen can't even enter without prior permission.... though I believe there's some form of power exerted on the City by parliament. They are governed by the "City of London Corporation" which is much different from the "Mayor of London". They have their own police force, power stations, elections. Etc; Unless you have information I don't have.
- kevingadd 5y ago
  This is fascinating, I saw this exact "queen can't enter without prior permission" bit in some alt history fiction recently and was convinced they must have made it up. I wonder if Washington DC's special status in the US was inspired by this City Of London arrangement in some way?
  - javert 5y ago
    Washington, DC was made a federal district so that the seat of national government would not be dependent on any particular US state for its security, but would be able to provide its own security force. This was because the Congress had been beseiged by disgruntled citizens when it met in Philadelphia, and the state of Pennsylvania had refused to intervene. I'm getting this from Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington,_D.C.#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington,_D.C.#History
  - dragonwriter 5y ago
    Washington D.C.’s special status exist to guarantee the independence of the central government from particular pressure of the host state, as opposed to the City of London’s privileges which are historically to protect well-to-do local merchants and craftsmen from the intrusive power of the nobility.
- dragonwriter 5y ago
  > They are governed by the "City of London Corporation" which is much different from the "Mayor of London". Specifically, the City of London Corporation is headed by the Lord Mayor of the City of London, who is a completely different person than the Mayor of London who heads the Greater London Authority, which is the government of what most people think of as the city named London, which is a completely different thing than the City of London.
- Milner08 5y ago
  The City has an MP and takes part in general elections. Its very much part of the UK and London. It just has some laws relaxed. I am not even sure that the whole 'the queen cant enter' thing is real. I have heard several times its just a custom they follow but not actually something they could enforce or do enforce at all.
  - dijit 5y ago
    Entrance is not codified in law, mostly ceremony- but it may as well be law the way our monarchy is tied to traditions There's a commons MP for the City of London _and_ Westminster (jointly) but that arrangement is... peculiar and not like other regions of the UK at all. She doesn't officially represent the CoL from their perspective. There _is_ a member of the House of Lords who is directly posted by CoL and his job is to prevent the erosion of rights that City of Londoners enjoy.
  - w14 5y ago
    The City also has a 'remembrancer' [0], effecively a lobbyist who represents the City's interests to Parliament. [0] https://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/about-us/about-the-city-of-london-corporation/remembrancers-office https://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/about-us/about-the-city-of-l...
- barrkel 5y ago
  It's my understanding that the Corporation administers local government in the City, and it is itself plutocratic rather than democratic, but otherwise Parliament's laws for England apply just as well within the City as without. Banking regulations and so forth that govern business in the City come from FCA, which came into existence by an act of the UK Parliament. I mean, Manchester has its own police force, Merseyside has its own police, and so forth. Each borough in the England has its own elections. What's peculiar about the City is that the electorate of the City's elections includes businesses as well as residents. But it's not some kind of extraterritorial oddity as some conspiracy theorists think.

The City is not even remotely independent of the government. Name one way in which it is so? It is also part of London proper, just separate from the GLA, e.g. it is part of London Councils.

dijit 5y ago

My understanding is that it's the only territory in the UK not under the Crown. The government is an extension of her majesty, and since the Queen can't even enter without prior permission.... though I believe there's some form of power exerted on the City by parliament. They are governed by the "City of London Corporation" which is much different from the "Mayor of London". They have their own police force, power stations, elections. Etc; Unless you have information I don't have.

kevingadd 5y ago
This is fascinating, I saw this exact "queen can't enter without prior permission" bit in some alt history fiction recently and was convinced they must have made it up. I wonder if Washington DC's special status in the US was inspired by this City Of London arrangement in some way?
- javert 5y ago
  Washington, DC was made a federal district so that the seat of national government would not be dependent on any particular US state for its security, but would be able to provide its own security force. This was because the Congress had been beseiged by disgruntled citizens when it met in Philadelphia, and the state of Pennsylvania had refused to intervene. I'm getting this from Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington,_D.C.#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington,_D.C.#History
- dragonwriter 5y ago
  Washington D.C.’s special status exist to guarantee the independence of the central government from particular pressure of the host state, as opposed to the City of London’s privileges which are historically to protect well-to-do local merchants and craftsmen from the intrusive power of the nobility.
dragonwriter 5y ago
> They are governed by the "City of London Corporation" which is much different from the "Mayor of London". Specifically, the City of London Corporation is headed by the Lord Mayor of the City of London, who is a completely different person than the Mayor of London who heads the Greater London Authority, which is the government of what most people think of as the city named London, which is a completely different thing than the City of London.
Milner08 5y ago
The City has an MP and takes part in general elections. Its very much part of the UK and London. It just has some laws relaxed. I am not even sure that the whole 'the queen cant enter' thing is real. I have heard several times its just a custom they follow but not actually something they could enforce or do enforce at all.
- dijit 5y ago
  Entrance is not codified in law, mostly ceremony- but it may as well be law the way our monarchy is tied to traditions There's a commons MP for the City of London _and_ Westminster (jointly) but that arrangement is... peculiar and not like other regions of the UK at all. She doesn't officially represent the CoL from their perspective. There _is_ a member of the House of Lords who is directly posted by CoL and his job is to prevent the erosion of rights that City of Londoners enjoy.
- w14 5y ago
  The City also has a 'remembrancer' [0], effecively a lobbyist who represents the City's interests to Parliament. [0] https://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/about-us/about-the-city-of-london-corporation/remembrancers-office https://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/about-us/about-the-city-of-l...
barrkel 5y ago
It's my understanding that the Corporation administers local government in the City, and it is itself plutocratic rather than democratic, but otherwise Parliament's laws for England apply just as well within the City as without. Banking regulations and so forth that govern business in the City come from FCA, which came into existence by an act of the UK Parliament. I mean, Manchester has its own police force, Merseyside has its own police, and so forth. Each borough in the England has its own elections. What's peculiar about the City is that the electorate of the City's elections includes businesses as well as residents. But it's not some kind of extraterritorial oddity as some conspiracy theorists think.