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> called someone who was convinced his company was worth more a liar for saying he knew it. No, that wasn’t the lie. From the horse’s mouth: “I was intentiona

by jccc 5y ago

> called someone who was convinced his company was worth more a liar for saying he knew it. No, that wasn’t the lie. From the horse’s mouth: “I was intentionally pretending we had another offer, and he detected it.” https://twitter.com/apartovi/status/1447324896904638467 https://twitter.com/apartovi/status/1447324896904638467

SiVal 5y ago
You're making a good point while still, I think, missing mine. You, the author, I probably all tell ourselves and others things that we "know" that we mostly hope for. "I know I'm going to lose ten pounds before Christmas." Do you really "know"? Do you have a time machine? And maybe one friend expressed support, so, "...and other people agree with me!" Well, you're implying more than one person, probably without feeling bad about it unless someone challenges you. "How many people? What are their names?" Oops. Now, we're in trouble. My point is the irony of feeling bad and learning a lesson about being completely honest when caught by a master famed for "reality distortion". Reality distortion is almost literally truth stretching. No doubt the master of doing it was a master at detecting it, but that didn't mean he was deeply committed to the truth himself. He was deeply committed to and famously skilled at manipulating but not being manipulated, which is not at all the same thing.
- jccc 5y ago
  This story and Jobs' reaction is not about the fluid meaning of the word "know." Jobs immediately caught on to the fact that Ali was lying to him about having a 150M offer, which he explicit admits: https://twitter.com/apartovi/status/1447324896904638467 https://twitter.com/apartovi/status/1447324896904638467 It is not about "someone who was convinced his company was worth more" being called a liar for saying he "knew" it.
stagger87 5y ago
I wish he would have said this in his original chain. Big detail to leave out.

by jccc 5y ago

SiVal 5y ago

You're making a good point while still, I think, missing mine. You, the author, I probably all tell ourselves and others things that we "know" that we mostly hope for. "I know I'm going to lose ten pounds before Christmas." Do you really "know"? Do you have a time machine? And maybe one friend expressed support, so, "...and other people agree with me!" Well, you're implying more than one person, probably without feeling bad about it unless someone challenges you. "How many people? What are their names?" Oops. Now, we're in trouble. My point is the irony of feeling bad and learning a lesson about being completely honest when caught by a master famed for "reality distortion". Reality distortion is almost literally truth stretching. No doubt the master of doing it was a master at detecting it, but that didn't mean he was deeply committed to the truth himself. He was deeply committed to and famously skilled at manipulating but not being manipulated, which is not at all the same thing.

jccc 5y ago
This story and Jobs' reaction is not about the fluid meaning of the word "know." Jobs immediately caught on to the fact that Ali was lying to him about having a 150M offer, which he explicit admits: https://twitter.com/apartovi/status/1447324896904638467 https://twitter.com/apartovi/status/1447324896904638467 It is not about "someone who was convinced his company was worth more" being called a liar for saying he "knew" it.

stagger87 5y ago

I wish he would have said this in his original chain. Big detail to leave out.