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Rather than just complaining about Wikipedia, I've contested the deletion by removing the prod tag and added some sources from major publications. Please help a

• rokhayakebe 18y ago
  Rather than just complaining about Wikipedia, I would love to see 2 smart guys in a garage create a competitor.
  • pb30 18y ago
    http://citizendium.org/ http://citizendium.org/ ?
    • rokhayakebe 18y ago
      Maybe, although they need to work on the UI. But good start.
    • gojomo 18y ago
      That's the wrong direction: more selective. The right direction: Wikipedia with a constitutional bias against deletionism. Only false, illegal, or privacy-violating information should be deleted. Everything true should be welcomed.
      • hugh 18y ago
        Sweet! You should start one of those. I look forward to creating the article "List of random numbers generated by hugh's random number generator on September 18, 2008".
        • gojomo 18y ago
          At some point, an excessive contributor would have to sponsor their own material. It's a business model!
        • rsheridan6 18y ago
          That would be a useless article, but it would be harmless, assuming a sane policy that doesn't allow for terabyte-long articles that strain server resources. Nobody would link to it and nobody would read it, even if your really posted it - which you wouldn't, because you have better things to do.
        • william42 18y ago
          I look forward to watching it turn into the 4chan wiki.
  • hugh 18y ago
    It's trivially easy for two smart guys in a garage to create a competitor. It's difficult to persuade hundreds of thousands of people outside said garage to write the actual content.
    • echair 18y ago
      I think most people would understand "create a competitor" to entail more than the strawman of mere implementation you seem to be taking it to mean.
      • hugh 18y ago
        The point is that the main problem can't be solved at the two-guys-in-a-garage level. Two guys in a garage can create a wiki. Two guys in a garage with a million dollar PR budget can create a wiki and get it widely publicised. Two guys in a garage with a fifty million dollar budget can hire a bunch of writers to get the content kickstarted. But ultimately, the problem of persuading thousands of people to contribute to a brand new service is not a problem that anyone knows how to solve -- it either takes off or it doesn't.
        • netcan 18y ago
          Well. It's a problem requiring a creative solution. It's certainly hard. I don't know how to do it, but I wouldn't say it's impossible or all up to fate.
        • rsheridan6 18y ago
          The two guys have an advantage - lots of former editors are sick of Wikipedia, and non-deletionists have nowhere to go. I don't see any reason why two guys in a garage couldn't succeed.
    • rms 18y ago
      Fork it.
  • staticshock 18y ago
    1) what does "competitor" translate to, for non-profits? 2) why write new source if your goal is just to launch another wiki?
  • corentin 18y ago
    It was created years ago and it's called the world wide web.
    • rbanffy 18y ago
      True, but it was created by one guy and one NeXT cube in a particle accelerator ;-) Talk about odd partnerships.
• silentbicycle 18y ago
  Definitely. Wikipedia collectively has a lot of experience with holding off editing attempts by swarms of irritated people, and that's strongly influenced their editing standards. To my understanding, content posted without sources is useless at best, trolling at worst.
• pg 18y ago
  reliable sources (blogs don't count) Aren't there reliable blogs?
  • DanielBMarkham 18y ago
    But no commonly accepted way to validate their reliability
    • rsheridan6 18y ago
      As if newspapers and books are reliable. I'd trust a comment at this website about YC by a YC applicant over a Business Week article.
  • rms 18y ago
    They're good for adding more information but bad for establishing notability (as per Wiki policy) because their reliability is contentious. So yes, there are reliable blogs, but a post from Scoble and no mainstream media hits won't save an article from the deletionists.
    • cstejerean 18y ago
      I don't get Wikipedia at times. How is this article notable? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_in_Miami_Vice http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_in_Miami_Vice (I have use the wikipedia random page as my homepage)
      • pb30 18y ago
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Firearms_in_Miami_Vice http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion...