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I'm just wondering how you've played _your_ part in not burdening the health system during your life? Of course infectious diseases aren't the only way to bur

I'm just wondering how you've played _your_ part in not burdening the health system during your life? Of course infectious diseases aren't the only way to burden a health system Obviously, I presume you don't smoke and never have smoked. Never drunk alcohol. Nor are overweight and never been overweight. And done everything in your power to reduce risk of cancer, stroke, heart attack, etc. And you never leave your house because it's very risky being outside and you might break a leg. And inside your house, you never use boiling water or stoves, in case you burn yourself. And when you have colds/flu, you isolate yourself for 10 days. You never think about heading to the shops for food or medicine, in case you make someone else sick. Children are big spreaders of disease, so if you have children, I presume you home-school them? And you don't drive an ICE car and never have, because of all the pollution and the health problems and deaths that causes. > I don't believe you should have the freedom to spread around an infectious disease See, what you're saying is: I don't believe you should have freedom. Were all the low paid workers in factories, forced to work else starve/be made homeless, exercising "freedom to spread around an infectious disease", or where they trying to live?

mthoms 5y ago
You changed the threshold from "overwhelming the healthcare system" to "using the healthcare system". and think you're being clever. That won't work here. >See, what you're saying is: I don't believe you should have freedom. Save the drama, special snowflake. What we're saying, very clearly is "do your part to save lives". If you're too selfish to do that, the rest of us don't want to be around you. Not because we think you're jerks (we do), but because you might kill us. Is that unreasonable? Honestly? Your rights end when they threaten the safety of others. It's been that way since the concept of "rights" came into existence. This isn't a new concept. It's a basic tenet of a working democratic society. It always has been.
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- switch007 5y ago
  The UK healthcare system is constantly overwhelmed. What do you think it was overwhelmed by in the years 2019 and earlier? Every single winter he NHS is on the brink of collapse. You can easily find the stories. > do your part to save lives I know that’s what you’re saying. So what’s your diet? How much does your car pollute? And the statistics are stacked well against you in your accusation that an unvaccinated person will kill you. Save the drama
  - mthoms 5y ago
    > overwhelmed You know very well the load on the health system is not the same now as it was pre-covid. Just stop with the word games, it's embarrassing (as is the whataboutism for that matter). For example: My dad's cancer treatment was never delayed pre-covid. It was after. That's entirely unprecedented. >your accusation that an unvaccinated person will kill you. Surprise! There you go with more words games instead of honest debate (changing what I said from "might kill" to "will kill"). Listen, this arguing style might work in your circles but not with actual informed grown ups. Do better. This is laughable.
    - switch007 5y ago
      > You know very well the load on the health system is not the same now as it was pre-covid I never claimed it was. Listen, this arguing style might work in your circles but not with actual informed grown ups. Do better. This is laughable. You are ignoring everything in my replies and not engaging
      - mthoms 5y ago
        Anyone who shamelessly changes their debate opponent's quote from "might kill" to "will kill" as a form of gotcha is either an asshole or stupid. If, after it was pointed out to them they don't even acknowledge it, then it could even be both. You think the reader doesn't notice stuff like that? You think the reader doesn't notice when you disingenuously equated the current "overwhelmed" health care system with the pre-covid "overwhelmed" health care system? And then in your latest reply, never claimed that's what you did? It's right there for anyone to read: You're not engaging in the conversation honestly. Don't bother replying - I'm looking to converse/debate with only capable, intelligent people.

mthoms 5y ago

You changed the threshold from "overwhelming the healthcare system" to "using the healthcare system". and think you're being clever. That won't work here. >See, what you're saying is: I don't believe you should have freedom. Save the drama, special snowflake. What we're saying, very clearly is "do your part to save lives". If you're too selfish to do that, the rest of us don't want to be around you. Not because we think you're jerks (we do), but because you might kill us. Is that unreasonable? Honestly? Your rights end when they threaten the safety of others. It's been that way since the concept of "rights" came into existence. This isn't a new concept. It's a basic tenet of a working democratic society. It always has been.

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switch007 5y ago
The UK healthcare system is constantly overwhelmed. What do you think it was overwhelmed by in the years 2019 and earlier? Every single winter he NHS is on the brink of collapse. You can easily find the stories. > do your part to save lives I know that’s what you’re saying. So what’s your diet? How much does your car pollute? And the statistics are stacked well against you in your accusation that an unvaccinated person will kill you. Save the drama
- mthoms 5y ago
  > overwhelmed You know very well the load on the health system is not the same now as it was pre-covid. Just stop with the word games, it's embarrassing (as is the whataboutism for that matter). For example: My dad's cancer treatment was never delayed pre-covid. It was after. That's entirely unprecedented. >your accusation that an unvaccinated person will kill you. Surprise! There you go with more words games instead of honest debate (changing what I said from "might kill" to "will kill"). Listen, this arguing style might work in your circles but not with actual informed grown ups. Do better. This is laughable.
  - switch007 5y ago
    > You know very well the load on the health system is not the same now as it was pre-covid I never claimed it was. Listen, this arguing style might work in your circles but not with actual informed grown ups. Do better. This is laughable. You are ignoring everything in my replies and not engaging
    - mthoms 5y ago
      Anyone who shamelessly changes their debate opponent's quote from "might kill" to "will kill" as a form of gotcha is either an asshole or stupid. If, after it was pointed out to them they don't even acknowledge it, then it could even be both. You think the reader doesn't notice stuff like that? You think the reader doesn't notice when you disingenuously equated the current "overwhelmed" health care system with the pre-covid "overwhelmed" health care system? And then in your latest reply, never claimed that's what you did? It's right there for anyone to read: You're not engaging in the conversation honestly. Don't bother replying - I'm looking to converse/debate with only capable, intelligent people.