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What's fundamentally wrong? None of this has anything to do with greater productivity... It's not as though larger houses require a linear increase in construct

What's fundamentally wrong? None of this has anything to do with greater productivity... It's not as though larger houses require a linear increase in construction workers; computers do not grow in vast fields necessitating hundreds of farm-hands. It's quite the opposite. GDP, which is what we were talking about, can rise forever because those who benefit will find ways to make it rise. Like, say, coupling difficult-to-access healthcare to it! Hey, now healthcare is a full fourth of it! Selling real estate and insurance to one another helps it increase, too! Line go up!! Something tells me that greater productivity allowed this cool and normal situation of proliferating middlemen to occur. The existence of relatively inexpensive ovens, etc, has been the case since easily 1970, which is around when productivity started to decouple from benefits to citizenry. I assume you're assured of this perspective because the existence of your boat makes you uncomfortable with the idea that we're using the insane productivity gains our species has realized to be gainfully employed not doing anything material or beneficial, but rather tricking people into clicking on ads. I understand whose shoulders I stand on, and I also understand that we don't really have to have the underpaid underclass to whom the ads are shown, we've just decided this way is better.

vorpalhex 5y ago
> it's not as though larger houses require a linear increase in construction workers Right because you are now importing prefab assemblies produced from other countries, and using off the shelf bulk produced components like drywall. That supply chain DOES require significantly more people. > Hey, now healthcare is a full fourth of it! Well I guess you could go destroy the MRI machines that require a steady pure helium stream, unplug the 400+ computerized monitors that are centrally linked back to nurses stations, or get rid of all the neat robotics that allow non-invasive surgery and save some cash. We could go back to when medicine ended at what your local doctor could do by hand. > Something tells me that greater productivity allowed this cool and normal situation of proliferating middlemen to occur. Please go share this opinion with your real estate brokers. Ask them what they do with all their free time that they have so much of apparently. > The existence of relatively inexpensive ovens, etc, has been the case since easily 1970, which is around when productivity started to decouple from benefits to citizenry. Cheap per unit doesn't mean cheap to produce from scratch. You can't go buy a machine shop and crank out modern ovens. Let's not even get into safety testing. > I assume you're assured of this perspective because the existence of your boat makes you uncomfortable with the idea that we're using the insane productivity gains our species has realized to be gainfully employed not doing anything material or beneficial Not a boat guy, sorry. You are about a hundred years behind in your understanding of economics. Production doesn't mean spinning yarn in your cottage. The broker managing real estate contracts is doing work the same way the person assembling surgical robots is doing. Life is no longer about building wooden cabins on land you claimed by fencing it off only to have your house burn down when your open top oil lamp turns over and catches your flammable ass bedding. Humanity has had progress since then. > I also understand that we don't really have to have the underpaid underclass to whom the ads are shown, If you don't like Hulu's business model then stop watching it.
- revolvingocelot 5y ago
  This discussion is nonsense. You're not trying to interpret anything I say charitably, you're putting words in my mouth -- in short, what the fuck is wrong with you? >Right because you are now importing prefab assemblies produced from other countries, and using off the shelf bulk produced components like drywall. That supply chain DOES require significantly more people. Yet those people pump out much more per worker. >Well I guess you could go destroy the MRI machines that require a steady pure helium stream, unplug the 400+ computerized monitors that are centrally linked back to nurses stations, or get rid of all the neat robotics that allow non-invasive surgery and save some cash. We could go back to when medicine ended at what your local doctor could do by hand. Why assume that I meant "destroy everything good"? Why not just remove the insane proliferation of profit-seeking middlemen in Merican healthcare? Pretty much every other first world country manages this fine, and uses less money to get better outcomes! How's the US life expectancy, again? >Please go share this opinion with your real estate brokers. Ask them what they do with all their free time that they have so much of apparently. Where did you get the idea that I'm saying that they have free time? They're very busy selling one another houses, and they are able to busily perform this profoundly useless economic "activity" because our society needs so little physical manpower to continue, as compared to, say, that of the 20th century. >Cheap per unit doesn't mean cheap to produce from scratch. You can't go buy a machine shop and crank out modern ovens. Let's not even get into safety testing. No, but it means cheap per unit. >Not a boat guy, sorry. So why assume that I am? It makes you look like an asshole! >You are about a hundred years behind in your understanding of economics. Production doesn't mean spinning yarn in your cottage. The broker managing real estate contracts is doing work the same way the person assembling surgical robots is doing. Life is no longer about building wooden cabins on land you claimed by fencing it off only to have your house burn down when your open top oil lamp turns over and catches your flammable ass bedding. Humanity has had progress since then. You've convinced me! It's about building disposable surveillance-economy "smart"phones, ignoring externalities, and quantitative easing!! >If you don't like Hulu's business model then stop watching it. Ooh, nice watch! Did you buy it with your salary that you're implying is greater than mine? It really adds to your argument! ...hey, weren't you just implying that I own a boat?

vorpalhex 5y ago

> it's not as though larger houses require a linear increase in construction workers Right because you are now importing prefab assemblies produced from other countries, and using off the shelf bulk produced components like drywall. That supply chain DOES require significantly more people. > Hey, now healthcare is a full fourth of it! Well I guess you could go destroy the MRI machines that require a steady pure helium stream, unplug the 400+ computerized monitors that are centrally linked back to nurses stations, or get rid of all the neat robotics that allow non-invasive surgery and save some cash. We could go back to when medicine ended at what your local doctor could do by hand. > Something tells me that greater productivity allowed this cool and normal situation of proliferating middlemen to occur. Please go share this opinion with your real estate brokers. Ask them what they do with all their free time that they have so much of apparently. > The existence of relatively inexpensive ovens, etc, has been the case since easily 1970, which is around when productivity started to decouple from benefits to citizenry. Cheap per unit doesn't mean cheap to produce from scratch. You can't go buy a machine shop and crank out modern ovens. Let's not even get into safety testing. > I assume you're assured of this perspective because the existence of your boat makes you uncomfortable with the idea that we're using the insane productivity gains our species has realized to be gainfully employed not doing anything material or beneficial Not a boat guy, sorry. You are about a hundred years behind in your understanding of economics. Production doesn't mean spinning yarn in your cottage. The broker managing real estate contracts is doing work the same way the person assembling surgical robots is doing. Life is no longer about building wooden cabins on land you claimed by fencing it off only to have your house burn down when your open top oil lamp turns over and catches your flammable ass bedding. Humanity has had progress since then. > I also understand that we don't really have to have the underpaid underclass to whom the ads are shown, If you don't like Hulu's business model then stop watching it.

revolvingocelot 5y ago
This discussion is nonsense. You're not trying to interpret anything I say charitably, you're putting words in my mouth -- in short, what the fuck is wrong with you? >Right because you are now importing prefab assemblies produced from other countries, and using off the shelf bulk produced components like drywall. That supply chain DOES require significantly more people. Yet those people pump out much more per worker. >Well I guess you could go destroy the MRI machines that require a steady pure helium stream, unplug the 400+ computerized monitors that are centrally linked back to nurses stations, or get rid of all the neat robotics that allow non-invasive surgery and save some cash. We could go back to when medicine ended at what your local doctor could do by hand. Why assume that I meant "destroy everything good"? Why not just remove the insane proliferation of profit-seeking middlemen in Merican healthcare? Pretty much every other first world country manages this fine, and uses less money to get better outcomes! How's the US life expectancy, again? >Please go share this opinion with your real estate brokers. Ask them what they do with all their free time that they have so much of apparently. Where did you get the idea that I'm saying that they have free time? They're very busy selling one another houses, and they are able to busily perform this profoundly useless economic "activity" because our society needs so little physical manpower to continue, as compared to, say, that of the 20th century. >Cheap per unit doesn't mean cheap to produce from scratch. You can't go buy a machine shop and crank out modern ovens. Let's not even get into safety testing. No, but it means cheap per unit. >Not a boat guy, sorry. So why assume that I am? It makes you look like an asshole! >You are about a hundred years behind in your understanding of economics. Production doesn't mean spinning yarn in your cottage. The broker managing real estate contracts is doing work the same way the person assembling surgical robots is doing. Life is no longer about building wooden cabins on land you claimed by fencing it off only to have your house burn down when your open top oil lamp turns over and catches your flammable ass bedding. Humanity has had progress since then. You've convinced me! It's about building disposable surveillance-economy "smart"phones, ignoring externalities, and quantitative easing!! >If you don't like Hulu's business model then stop watching it. Ooh, nice watch! Did you buy it with your salary that you're implying is greater than mine? It really adds to your argument! ...hey, weren't you just implying that I own a boat?