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> unless they take something that many consider to be quite dangerous. Of course, zero pushback on this nonsense idea

by dabernathy89 5y ago

newsclues 5y ago
Is it nonsense that the vaccines may be dangerous or that many consider the vaccines to be dangerous?
- dabernathy89 5y ago
  The former. But saying it this way is just like the GOP saying that "many people are concerned about election integrity" after they spent months lying to the public that it was a giant fraud.
logicchains 5y ago
It's such a nonsense idea that Finland and Sweden recently halted Moderna vaccination for under-30s males due to, in the views of their health authorities, the risks outweighing the benefits? https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/finland-pauses-use-moderna-covid-19-vaccine-young-men-2021-10-07/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/finland-pauses-use-mode...
- ceejayoz 5y ago
  > recently halted Moderna vaccination In favor of Pfizer for that age group. Not in favor of "don't get the vaccine".
downandout 5y ago
For a healthy person under 35, the odds of dying or having to be hospitalized shortly after receiving the vaccine are slightly higher than the odds of dying from COVID [1]. While the odds of any of these events, including dying from COVID, are low, there are certainly risks. We are faced with only bad choices in this pandemic - take a vaccine that has a high death/hospitalization rate relative to other vaccines, or roll the dice with COVID. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28829574 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28829574
- dabernathy89 5y ago
  I'm sorry, but you just can't rely on VAERS data for a comparison like this. Literally anyone can submit a report to VAERS.
  - downandout 5y ago
    It’s the best data we have on this. The CDC officially denies any causal link between the vaccine and death [1]: ”A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines” I can find 10 credible news reports of healthy individuals that died within 48 hours of receiving the vaccine in a minute of searching, so we know that the number 0 is complete nonsense. Since the CDC numbers are comically wrong, we have to go to the next best source. The CDC itself is creating vaccine hesitancy by lying and misrepresenting statistics, which leads people to wonder what else they are lying about. Just the idea that they report adverse reaction rates based on number of doses administered, and not the number of vaccinated people, intentionally cuts the effective incident rate per person in half since two doses are required. That calls into question everything else they do. Nobody cares if it’s the first or second dose that kills or injures them. So the next best source is VAERS. [1] https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/ad...

> unless they take something that many consider to be quite dangerous. Of course, zero pushback on this nonsense idea

newsclues 5y ago

Is it nonsense that the vaccines may be dangerous or that many consider the vaccines to be dangerous?

dabernathy89 5y ago
The former. But saying it this way is just like the GOP saying that "many people are concerned about election integrity" after they spent months lying to the public that it was a giant fraud.

logicchains 5y ago

It's such a nonsense idea that Finland and Sweden recently halted Moderna vaccination for under-30s males due to, in the views of their health authorities, the risks outweighing the benefits? https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/finland-pauses-use-moderna-covid-19-vaccine-young-men-2021-10-07/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/finland-pauses-use-mode...

ceejayoz 5y ago
> recently halted Moderna vaccination In favor of Pfizer for that age group. Not in favor of "don't get the vaccine".

downandout 5y ago

For a healthy person under 35, the odds of dying or having to be hospitalized shortly after receiving the vaccine are slightly higher than the odds of dying from COVID [1]. While the odds of any of these events, including dying from COVID, are low, there are certainly risks. We are faced with only bad choices in this pandemic - take a vaccine that has a high death/hospitalization rate relative to other vaccines, or roll the dice with COVID. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28829574 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28829574

dabernathy89 5y ago
I'm sorry, but you just can't rely on VAERS data for a comparison like this. Literally anyone can submit a report to VAERS.
- downandout 5y ago
  It’s the best data we have on this. The CDC officially denies any causal link between the vaccine and death [1]: ”A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines” I can find 10 credible news reports of healthy individuals that died within 48 hours of receiving the vaccine in a minute of searching, so we know that the number 0 is complete nonsense. Since the CDC numbers are comically wrong, we have to go to the next best source. The CDC itself is creating vaccine hesitancy by lying and misrepresenting statistics, which leads people to wonder what else they are lying about. Just the idea that they report adverse reaction rates based on number of doses administered, and not the number of vaccinated people, intentionally cuts the effective incident rate per person in half since two doses are required. That calls into question everything else they do. Nobody cares if it’s the first or second dose that kills or injures them. So the next best source is VAERS. [1] https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/ad...