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There's nothing invasive about a vaccine. There's many definitions of invasive medical procedure but it has more to do with what level of cutting you open count

There's nothing invasive about a vaccine. There's many definitions of invasive medical procedure but it has more to do with what level of cutting you open counts. Not a 30 second jab in the arm that leaves no permanent damage. You've probably had a dozen of these "invasive" procedures as a kid and completely forgotten about them. I don't believe you should have the freedom to spread around an infectious disease that has already crippled the health care system in many provinces and killed thousands of people. Your rights end where others begin. Your free to not give your vaccine status (vaccinated or unvaccinated) as well but you just have to live with the consequences of not attending restaurants and hockey games. It's people like you dragging this whole thing on.

rubyist5eva 5y ago
The literal medical definition of invasive: ‘involving puncture or incision of the skin or insertion of an instrument or injection of foreign material into the body’ It’s not a subjective term. Not everyone that that isn’t vaccinated is infected by default, and people that are vaccinated can spread the disease as well.
- salamandersauce 5y ago
  Of course not, but vaccinated people are not spreading it or getting it at the same rates, nor are they filling up ICUs and hospital beds at the same rates. That's the problem. Unvaccinated people are a minority of the population taking up the majority of hospital space which has lead to procedures and care being cancelled for others . It's only when the healthcare systems stop being at risk of derailed can we actually move past this.
  - rubyist5eva 5y ago
    Overwhelmed ICUs and hospitals has been Canadian tradition for decades, just google any year (ie. 2018) and "flu overwhelm hospitals" and you'll found countless articles of just seasonal influenza overwhelming the system. The problem isn't the virus, it's the wholly inadequate socialized system.
switch007 5y ago
I'm just wondering how you've played _your_ part in not burdening the health system during your life? Of course infectious diseases aren't the only way to burden a health system Obviously, I presume you don't smoke and never have smoked. Never drunk alcohol. Nor are overweight and never been overweight. And done everything in your power to reduce risk of cancer, stroke, heart attack, etc. And you never leave your house because it's very risky being outside and you might break a leg. And inside your house, you never use boiling water or stoves, in case you burn yourself. And when you have colds/flu, you isolate yourself for 10 days. You never think about heading to the shops for food or medicine, in case you make someone else sick. Children are big spreaders of disease, so if you have children, I presume you home-school them? And you don't drive an ICE car and never have, because of all the pollution and the health problems and deaths that causes. > I don't believe you should have the freedom to spread around an infectious disease See, what you're saying is: I don't believe you should have freedom. Were all the low paid workers in factories, forced to work else starve/be made homeless, exercising "freedom to spread around an infectious disease", or where they trying to live?
- mthoms 5y ago
  You changed the threshold from "overwhelming the healthcare system" to "using the healthcare system". and think you're being clever. That won't work here. >See, what you're saying is: I don't believe you should have freedom. Save the drama, special snowflake. What we're saying, very clearly is "do your part to save lives". If you're too selfish to do that, the rest of us don't want to be around you. Not because we think you're jerks (we do), but because you might kill us. Is that unreasonable? Honestly? Your rights end when they threaten the safety of others. It's been that way since the concept of "rights" came into existence. This isn't a new concept. It's a basic tenet of a working democratic society. It always has been.
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  - switch007 5y ago
    The UK healthcare system is constantly overwhelmed. What do you think it was overwhelmed by in the years 2019 and earlier? Every single winter he NHS is on the brink of collapse. You can easily find the stories. > do your part to save lives I know that’s what you’re saying. So what’s your diet? How much does your car pollute? And the statistics are stacked well against you in your accusation that an unvaccinated person will kill you. Save the drama

rubyist5eva 5y ago

The literal medical definition of invasive: ‘involving puncture or incision of the skin or insertion of an instrument or injection of foreign material into the body’ It’s not a subjective term. Not everyone that that isn’t vaccinated is infected by default, and people that are vaccinated can spread the disease as well.

salamandersauce 5y ago
Of course not, but vaccinated people are not spreading it or getting it at the same rates, nor are they filling up ICUs and hospital beds at the same rates. That's the problem. Unvaccinated people are a minority of the population taking up the majority of hospital space which has lead to procedures and care being cancelled for others . It's only when the healthcare systems stop being at risk of derailed can we actually move past this.
- rubyist5eva 5y ago
  Overwhelmed ICUs and hospitals has been Canadian tradition for decades, just google any year (ie. 2018) and "flu overwhelm hospitals" and you'll found countless articles of just seasonal influenza overwhelming the system. The problem isn't the virus, it's the wholly inadequate socialized system.

switch007 5y ago

I'm just wondering how you've played _your_ part in not burdening the health system during your life? Of course infectious diseases aren't the only way to burden a health system Obviously, I presume you don't smoke and never have smoked. Never drunk alcohol. Nor are overweight and never been overweight. And done everything in your power to reduce risk of cancer, stroke, heart attack, etc. And you never leave your house because it's very risky being outside and you might break a leg. And inside your house, you never use boiling water or stoves, in case you burn yourself. And when you have colds/flu, you isolate yourself for 10 days. You never think about heading to the shops for food or medicine, in case you make someone else sick. Children are big spreaders of disease, so if you have children, I presume you home-school them? And you don't drive an ICE car and never have, because of all the pollution and the health problems and deaths that causes. > I don't believe you should have the freedom to spread around an infectious disease See, what you're saying is: I don't believe you should have freedom. Were all the low paid workers in factories, forced to work else starve/be made homeless, exercising "freedom to spread around an infectious disease", or where they trying to live?

mthoms 5y ago
You changed the threshold from "overwhelming the healthcare system" to "using the healthcare system". and think you're being clever. That won't work here. >See, what you're saying is: I don't believe you should have freedom. Save the drama, special snowflake. What we're saying, very clearly is "do your part to save lives". If you're too selfish to do that, the rest of us don't want to be around you. Not because we think you're jerks (we do), but because you might kill us. Is that unreasonable? Honestly? Your rights end when they threaten the safety of others. It's been that way since the concept of "rights" came into existence. This isn't a new concept. It's a basic tenet of a working democratic society. It always has been.
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- switch007 5y ago
  The UK healthcare system is constantly overwhelmed. What do you think it was overwhelmed by in the years 2019 and earlier? Every single winter he NHS is on the brink of collapse. You can easily find the stories. > do your part to save lives I know that’s what you’re saying. So what’s your diet? How much does your car pollute? And the statistics are stacked well against you in your accusation that an unvaccinated person will kill you. Save the drama