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It's telling that this is downvoted, even though it presents actual evidence from an actual SWA employee vs the random speculation found elsewhere in the thread

It's telling that this is downvoted, even though it presents actual evidence from an actual SWA employee vs the random speculation found elsewhere in the thread. The cause isn't leanness or MBAs, its pilots protesting against vaccine mandates, by the testimony of an actual pilot who works there.

bserge 5y ago
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syshum 5y ago
That is because it goes agaist the narrative that the only people that oppose mandates are backwater rednecks that have no education. It can not be that high skilled professionals oppose having their body autonomy revoked... it can not be that "my body my choice" should extend to more medical choices than 1... no no. this can not be allowed
- orangepurple 5y ago
  There is a concerted effort to eliminate autonomy and individual agency
- ceejayoz 5y ago
  If fetuses were infectious - if you could stand by a pregnant person at the bus stop or grocery store or school, and suddenly find yourself pregnant by breathing the same air - "my body, my choice" would not be the reproductive rights slogan.
  - syshum 5y ago
    That is both a weak and dangerous argument if you place any value at all on individual freedom. As a vaccinated person I have a MUCH MUCH greater risk of dying in a car accident on the way to the grocery store than I do of contracting a deadly case of COVID. Before the vaccine was widely available you may have had a case but once you become vaccinated your risk level drops to well below other risks we already accept as part of having a free society.
    - ceejayoz 5y ago
      Our society has always balanced individual freedoms versus the impacts exercising them have on others. I cannot have murder, child porn, or heroin use be a part of my religious ceremonies. I cannot have libel be a part of my free speech and expression. I cannot be Typhoid Mary and spread disease around. I cannot open a restaurant that skips hand washing. I cannot go to public school unvaccinated for measles and a number of other diseases in most states. I cannot drive drunk, despite research showing doing so actually improves my chances of surviving an accident (https://www.scientificamerican.com/podcast/episode/odds-favor-drunk-trauma-victims-09-10-01/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/podcast/episode/odds-favo...). Immunocompromised people exist. Tens of millions of children aren't yet eligible for the vaccines. I'm inclined to consider their individual freedoms not to be needlessly infected by a pandemic disease as important, too.
      - syshum 5y ago
        That is a very weak rebuttal and does nothing to address that fact that risk from COVID once you are vaccinated falls below the other accepted risks of society. Care to address that or do you just want to keep building strawmen?
        ceejayoz 5y ago
        > once you are vaccinated Again, this is fairly key. A large portion of the country is not yet eligible for the vaccines at this time. > That is a very weak rebuttal That is a very weak rebuttal.
        syshum 5y ago
        2 Points 1. Vaccinated people still spread covid, Vaccination primary effect makes a person asymptomatic, this has been proven. 2. "Large portion" is false, it is children under 12, who have a lower chance of serious illness than a vaccinated person. That said if you as a parent feel that risk to do high then you as a parent can take measures to ensure you children only come in contact with vaccinated person, this however does not mean you can impose that desire via government. To be clear I am fine with parents advocating business require vaccinations of their own business policy, I am not fine with government telling a Bar that is for adults they also must require vaccinations. Government mandates bad, private business choices good.

bserge 5y ago

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syshum 5y ago

That is because it goes agaist the narrative that the only people that oppose mandates are backwater rednecks that have no education. It can not be that high skilled professionals oppose having their body autonomy revoked... it can not be that "my body my choice" should extend to more medical choices than 1... no no. this can not be allowed

orangepurple 5y ago
There is a concerted effort to eliminate autonomy and individual agency
ceejayoz 5y ago
If fetuses were infectious - if you could stand by a pregnant person at the bus stop or grocery store or school, and suddenly find yourself pregnant by breathing the same air - "my body, my choice" would not be the reproductive rights slogan.
- syshum 5y ago
  That is both a weak and dangerous argument if you place any value at all on individual freedom. As a vaccinated person I have a MUCH MUCH greater risk of dying in a car accident on the way to the grocery store than I do of contracting a deadly case of COVID. Before the vaccine was widely available you may have had a case but once you become vaccinated your risk level drops to well below other risks we already accept as part of having a free society.
  - ceejayoz 5y ago
    Our society has always balanced individual freedoms versus the impacts exercising them have on others. I cannot have murder, child porn, or heroin use be a part of my religious ceremonies. I cannot have libel be a part of my free speech and expression. I cannot be Typhoid Mary and spread disease around. I cannot open a restaurant that skips hand washing. I cannot go to public school unvaccinated for measles and a number of other diseases in most states. I cannot drive drunk, despite research showing doing so actually improves my chances of surviving an accident (https://www.scientificamerican.com/podcast/episode/odds-favor-drunk-trauma-victims-09-10-01/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/podcast/episode/odds-favo...). Immunocompromised people exist. Tens of millions of children aren't yet eligible for the vaccines. I'm inclined to consider their individual freedoms not to be needlessly infected by a pandemic disease as important, too.
    - syshum 5y ago
      That is a very weak rebuttal and does nothing to address that fact that risk from COVID once you are vaccinated falls below the other accepted risks of society. Care to address that or do you just want to keep building strawmen?
      - ceejayoz 5y ago
        > once you are vaccinated Again, this is fairly key. A large portion of the country is not yet eligible for the vaccines at this time. > That is a very weak rebuttal That is a very weak rebuttal.
        syshum 5y ago
        2 Points 1. Vaccinated people still spread covid, Vaccination primary effect makes a person asymptomatic, this has been proven. 2. "Large portion" is false, it is children under 12, who have a lower chance of serious illness than a vaccinated person. That said if you as a parent feel that risk to do high then you as a parent can take measures to ensure you children only come in contact with vaccinated person, this however does not mean you can impose that desire via government. To be clear I am fine with parents advocating business require vaccinations of their own business policy, I am not fine with government telling a Bar that is for adults they also must require vaccinations. Government mandates bad, private business choices good.