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Agree. Have family members in the pilot's union and in the air traffic control union. The White House thinks they can force unilateral changes to the union co

Agree. Have family members in the pilot's union and in the air traffic control union. The White House thinks they can force unilateral changes to the union contracts. If the unions admitted to what was going on, the White House would have more legal authority to intervene more directly with the unions.

q1w2 5y ago
The parent comment above is being downvoted in favor of the top comment - which is a baseless pro-union comment. It's so strange. Do people really prefer to push an agenda here rather than understand the nuance and truth of what is going on?
ceejayoz 5y ago
> The White House thinks they can force unilateral changes to the union contracts. Well, yes. Contracts can't override Federal regulation. "Sign this contract exempting you from OHSA protections" won't (generally) fly, right?
- EricE 5y ago
  What federal regulation gives the federal government the magical ability to mandate a medical procedure without consent?
  - ceejayoz 5y ago
    OHSA, for employers subject to it. Medicare puts a lot of hospitals under their jurisdiction standards-wise, as well. Same for airlines. You'll note they've limited the mandate quite a bit to areas where there's wide court agreement the Feds have jurisdiction. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/07/us/politics/biden-vaccine-mandate-osha.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/07/us/politics/biden-vaccine... > Experts said that legal challenges to the rule were all but assured, but precedent is most likely on Mr. Biden’s side. In the past 20 years, “every standard that has been challenged in court has been upheld by federal judges,” David Michaels, a professor at the George Washington University School of Public Health who was a head of OSHA during the Obama administration, said in an interview. > OSHA also has the authority to quickly issue a rule, known as an emergency temporary standard, if it can show that workers are exposed to grave danger and that the rule is necessary to address it. The rule must also be feasible for employers to enforce. At the state level, there's plenty of legal precedent. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobson_v._Massachusetts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobson_v._Massachusetts

q1w2 5y ago

The parent comment above is being downvoted in favor of the top comment - which is a baseless pro-union comment. It's so strange. Do people really prefer to push an agenda here rather than understand the nuance and truth of what is going on?

ceejayoz 5y ago

> The White House thinks they can force unilateral changes to the union contracts. Well, yes. Contracts can't override Federal regulation. "Sign this contract exempting you from OHSA protections" won't (generally) fly, right?

EricE 5y ago
What federal regulation gives the federal government the magical ability to mandate a medical procedure without consent?
- ceejayoz 5y ago
  OHSA, for employers subject to it. Medicare puts a lot of hospitals under their jurisdiction standards-wise, as well. Same for airlines. You'll note they've limited the mandate quite a bit to areas where there's wide court agreement the Feds have jurisdiction. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/07/us/politics/biden-vaccine-mandate-osha.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/07/us/politics/biden-vaccine... > Experts said that legal challenges to the rule were all but assured, but precedent is most likely on Mr. Biden’s side. In the past 20 years, “every standard that has been challenged in court has been upheld by federal judges,” David Michaels, a professor at the George Washington University School of Public Health who was a head of OSHA during the Obama administration, said in an interview. > OSHA also has the authority to quickly issue a rule, known as an emergency temporary standard, if it can show that workers are exposed to grave danger and that the rule is necessary to address it. The rule must also be feasible for employers to enforce. At the state level, there's plenty of legal precedent. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobson_v._Massachusetts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobson_v._Massachusetts