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It's just a baseless rumor as far as I can see. SW says there's a staffing problem at "one location in florida," and blames weather otherwise. Meanwhile at leas

It's just a baseless rumor as far as I can see. SW says there's a staffing problem at "one location in florida," and blames weather otherwise. Meanwhile at least the SW pilot's union says "our pilots are not participating in any official or unofficial job actions." Union goes on to say the disruption is because of SW's "bad management." Given that the people who are ostensibly striking have yet to say anything, I think that no one is striking or walking out. edit: this is as close to a source as I've seen for the claim that there's striking workers: https://twitter.com/jackposobiec/status/1447259256001019906 https://twitter.com/jackposobiec/status/1447259256001019906

wtallis 5y ago
The alleged staffing problem was with air traffic control, not Southwest employees.
- bhk 5y ago
  FAA says "it's not us"! (Except for a few hours on Friday.) https://twitter.com/FAANews/status/1447358177935245315 https://twitter.com/FAANews/status/1447358177935245315 And it does seem to be Southwest-specific: https://flightaware.com/live/cancelled/ https://flightaware.com/live/cancelled/ SWA is my favorite airline, but their story doesn't add up here.
cratermoon 5y ago
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- malwarebytess 5y ago
  My take on it. If it was a strike I think we'd hear about it in more definitive terms than rumor. That's the point of a strike, disruption and attention.
  - proc0 5y ago
    So everyone just got sick?
    - malwarebytess 5y ago
      Everyone who? As far as I can see no one is missing. At least no one who will stand up and be counted. Makes more sense SW fucked up trying to pinch pennies and got caught with their pants down.
    - brendoelfrendo 5y ago
      Is there any indication that a greater than normal number of people are sick? The only people talking about a sickout that I can see are the ones who are congratulating the pilots on their sickout without any confirmation that there’s actually a sickout.
      - proc0 5y ago
        > Is there any indication that a greater than normal number of people are sick? Aren't flights being cancelled? I guess people are just not showing up or something? I asked that question because if there isn't a protest then what? Something is being covered up, at least.
        brendoelfrendo 5y ago
        Lol, no, this started back in June; Southwest cancelled 2600 flights during that month and delayed something like 40% of its flights. It's a combination of several unrelated delays (weather, ATC staffing, military exercise) propagating back through the system and flight crews timing out before they can get to their final destination. It takes days if not longer for them to resolve these issues. There's no coverup; Southwest is just stretched too thin and has let their business get too fragile. And they're not alone: I feel like no one remembers American, United and Spirit all struggling with mass cancellations over the summer.
- wonnage 5y ago
  Said troglodytes are furiously downvoting/flagging anything that casts doubt on their preferred conspiracy theory as always
- dang 5y ago
  Would you please stop posting unsubstantive and/or flamewar comments to HN? You've been doing it repeatedly and we've already had to ask you more than once. I don't want to ban you, so it would be good if you would review the site guidelines and use the site as intended: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.
  - cratermoon 5y ago
    I have edited my comment in an attempt to provide substantive detail.
  - jukabo 5y ago
    You are going to ban him because what he posted doesn’t fit your narrative? You are censoring him.
    - dang 5y ago
      The comment before it was edited was clearly breaking the site guidelines. That's the issue.
- pupdogg 5y ago
  Downvote me all you want but I will wait for your comment to age.
- SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
  Senator Cruz did in fact tweet this: https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/1447327311095910402 https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/1447327311095910402 The informational content of that tweet, or if you regard it as more than mere uninteresting noise, is an entirely different and more subjective matter.
MerelyMortal 5y ago
Someone reported on reddit that... > Pilots had to sleep at the airport because all the hotels were full. Since they weren't staying in beds or whatever, it didn't count as "crew rest" so all the crews were illegal. https://old.reddit.com/r/ATC/comments/q5a7hq/southwest_airlines_is_blaming_cancellations_on/hg5hx0p/ https://old.reddit.com/r/ATC/comments/q5a7hq/southwest_airli... No idea if it's true or not though, and/or if that's the actual reason.
- malwarebytess 5y ago
  Whether that particular story is true or not, or whether it explains all of the cancellations, there is a kernel of truth in it. > "The ones [cancellations] that showed up on Saturday they said were because of crew hours," said Stewart, noting airline flight crews are mandated to rest after so many hours on duty. https://www.jacksonville.com/story/news/2021/10/10/flights-canceled-jia-passengers-stranded-nationwide-over-weekend/6081305001/ https://www.jacksonville.com/story/news/2021/10/10/flights-c...
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pseudo0 5y ago
A union would be incredibly foolish to admit that it is engaging in an illegal wildcat strike, so I don't think that statement is particularly useful either way.
Consultant32452 5y ago
Frankly corporate PR has just as much likelihood of being honest as a random tweet. We now live in a zero trust society.

wtallis 5y ago

The alleged staffing problem was with air traffic control, not Southwest employees.

bhk 5y ago
FAA says "it's not us"! (Except for a few hours on Friday.) https://twitter.com/FAANews/status/1447358177935245315 https://twitter.com/FAANews/status/1447358177935245315 And it does seem to be Southwest-specific: https://flightaware.com/live/cancelled/ https://flightaware.com/live/cancelled/ SWA is my favorite airline, but their story doesn't add up here.

cratermoon 5y ago

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malwarebytess 5y ago
My take on it. If it was a strike I think we'd hear about it in more definitive terms than rumor. That's the point of a strike, disruption and attention.
- proc0 5y ago
  So everyone just got sick?
  - malwarebytess 5y ago
    Everyone who? As far as I can see no one is missing. At least no one who will stand up and be counted. Makes more sense SW fucked up trying to pinch pennies and got caught with their pants down.
  - brendoelfrendo 5y ago
    Is there any indication that a greater than normal number of people are sick? The only people talking about a sickout that I can see are the ones who are congratulating the pilots on their sickout without any confirmation that there’s actually a sickout.
    - proc0 5y ago
      > Is there any indication that a greater than normal number of people are sick? Aren't flights being cancelled? I guess people are just not showing up or something? I asked that question because if there isn't a protest then what? Something is being covered up, at least.
      - brendoelfrendo 5y ago
        Lol, no, this started back in June; Southwest cancelled 2600 flights during that month and delayed something like 40% of its flights. It's a combination of several unrelated delays (weather, ATC staffing, military exercise) propagating back through the system and flight crews timing out before they can get to their final destination. It takes days if not longer for them to resolve these issues. There's no coverup; Southwest is just stretched too thin and has let their business get too fragile. And they're not alone: I feel like no one remembers American, United and Spirit all struggling with mass cancellations over the summer.
wonnage 5y ago
Said troglodytes are furiously downvoting/flagging anything that casts doubt on their preferred conspiracy theory as always
dang 5y ago
Would you please stop posting unsubstantive and/or flamewar comments to HN? You've been doing it repeatedly and we've already had to ask you more than once. I don't want to ban you, so it would be good if you would review the site guidelines and use the site as intended: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.
- cratermoon 5y ago
  I have edited my comment in an attempt to provide substantive detail.
- jukabo 5y ago
  You are going to ban him because what he posted doesn’t fit your narrative? You are censoring him.
  - dang 5y ago
    The comment before it was edited was clearly breaking the site guidelines. That's the issue.
pupdogg 5y ago
Downvote me all you want but I will wait for your comment to age.
SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
Senator Cruz did in fact tweet this: https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/1447327311095910402 https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/1447327311095910402 The informational content of that tweet, or if you regard it as more than mere uninteresting noise, is an entirely different and more subjective matter.

MerelyMortal 5y ago

Someone reported on reddit that... > Pilots had to sleep at the airport because all the hotels were full. Since they weren't staying in beds or whatever, it didn't count as "crew rest" so all the crews were illegal. https://old.reddit.com/r/ATC/comments/q5a7hq/southwest_airlines_is_blaming_cancellations_on/hg5hx0p/ https://old.reddit.com/r/ATC/comments/q5a7hq/southwest_airli... No idea if it's true or not though, and/or if that's the actual reason.

malwarebytess 5y ago
Whether that particular story is true or not, or whether it explains all of the cancellations, there is a kernel of truth in it. > "The ones [cancellations] that showed up on Saturday they said were because of crew hours," said Stewart, noting airline flight crews are mandated to rest after so many hours on duty. https://www.jacksonville.com/story/news/2021/10/10/flights-canceled-jia-passengers-stranded-nationwide-over-weekend/6081305001/ https://www.jacksonville.com/story/news/2021/10/10/flights-c...

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pseudo0 5y ago

A union would be incredibly foolish to admit that it is engaging in an illegal wildcat strike, so I don't think that statement is particularly useful either way.

Consultant32452 5y ago

Frankly corporate PR has just as much likelihood of being honest as a random tweet. We now live in a zero trust society.