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> In actuality, that person was an undercover FBI agent. Does the FBI catch any actual real criminals these days or just entrap people? Every single major bust

> In actuality, that person was an undercover FBI agent. Does the FBI catch any actual real criminals these days or just entrap people? Every single major bust they do is just them raking in a few people stupid enough to engage with an informant. How many of the Michigan kidnappers were FBI informants? How many people who organized and broke into the capital on Jan 6 were FBI informants? How many people who organized Charlottesville were FBI informants?

dvogel 5y ago
While the FBI's behavior in many cases is extremely suspect in this case there seems to have been legitimate contact between these suspects and real foreign agents in early 2020, prior to any FBI involvement.
FridayoLeary 5y ago
prevention is the best cure. If everyone is in jail, there won't be any terror attacks and FBI will have justified their budget.
aahortwwy 5y ago
From the affidavit: > On or about December 20, 2020, the FBI’s attaché (“LEGAT”) in COUNTRY1 obtained a package representatives from COUNTRY1 had received in April 2020 through a mail carrier from the U.S. by an unidentified subject in an attempt to establish a covert relationship.
dogman144 5y ago
How many Navy nuke engineers sent docs to a foreign government with contents of enough class'd info to prove legitimacy, before that foreign government turned it over to an FBI attache in-country? In this case, 1! You should read the indictment in place of the motivated reasoning minus facts on display here.
tptacek 5y ago
No part of the story told in this indictment fits the definition of "entrapment". The case started when the FBI interdicted secrets being sent to a foreign intelligence agency.
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tootie 5y ago
This is a sting not entrapment. Entrapment is where they force someone to commit a crime against their will then arrest them for it. Enticing or baiting them to commit a crime is how you prevent bad people from committing real crimes. The Jan 6 insurrectionists and Charlottesville white supremacist mob were acting of their own free will at every step of the way. They were not induced or threatened except by the president. We don't know about any informants among the crowds and even if there were some that doesn't constitute entrapment at all.

dvogel 5y ago

While the FBI's behavior in many cases is extremely suspect in this case there seems to have been legitimate contact between these suspects and real foreign agents in early 2020, prior to any FBI involvement.

FridayoLeary 5y ago

prevention is the best cure. If everyone is in jail, there won't be any terror attacks and FBI will have justified their budget.

aahortwwy 5y ago

From the affidavit: > On or about December 20, 2020, the FBI’s attaché (“LEGAT”) in COUNTRY1 obtained a package representatives from COUNTRY1 had received in April 2020 through a mail carrier from the U.S. by an unidentified subject in an attempt to establish a covert relationship.

dogman144 5y ago

How many Navy nuke engineers sent docs to a foreign government with contents of enough class'd info to prove legitimacy, before that foreign government turned it over to an FBI attache in-country? In this case, 1! You should read the indictment in place of the motivated reasoning minus facts on display here.

tptacek 5y ago

No part of the story told in this indictment fits the definition of "entrapment". The case started when the FBI interdicted secrets being sent to a foreign intelligence agency.

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tootie 5y ago

This is a sting not entrapment. Entrapment is where they force someone to commit a crime against their will then arrest them for it. Enticing or baiting them to commit a crime is how you prevent bad people from committing real crimes. The Jan 6 insurrectionists and Charlottesville white supremacist mob were acting of their own free will at every step of the way. They were not induced or threatened except by the president. We don't know about any informants among the crowds and even if there were some that doesn't constitute entrapment at all.