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The traditional model of psychological factors behind leaks is called MICE. Each letter describes a potential reason why one would leak secret information. M st
by krisoft 5y ago
The traditional model of psychological factors behind leaks is called MICE. Each letter describes a potential reason why one would leak secret information. M stands for money, I stands for ideology, C stands for coercion, and E stands for ego or excitement.
I believe this last one, the E covers what you are talking about. People who know something special can share it and thus appear in the specific circumstanc as special themselves. This strokes their ego which motivates them to share more.
- noodlesUK 5y agoIt sounds like you are knowledgeable about this topic. Where might I be able to read more?
- disposableuname 5y agoIn every intro book on espionage. MICE is the short-hand for why people become traitors / how to turn people into assets.
- crdrost 5y agoVery surprised that they never added one that started with R so that the acronym could be CRIME.
- bigiain 5y ago"Coercion, Reddit-karma, Ideology, Money, Ego"
- killingtime74 5y agoreligion? revenge?
- jdub 5y agoThat's just ideology.
- ffhhj 5y agoMoney is a social construct, it's ideological too. Let's call it ICE.
- worik 5y agoMoney is not ideology Being a "social construct" is not the same as being ideology.
- jjk166 5y agoRevenge isn't typically an ideology. It can be under certain circumstances (e.g. we will make the filthy Americans pay for all they've done!) but often people want revenge for a specific transgression with no underlying general belief (e.g. Bob banged my wife, now I'll destroy his career, fuck you Bob!).
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- smnrchrds 5y agoMICE has a nice sound to it, because it's what makes people rat.
- wiz21c 5y agoso a traitor is one that doesn't share another one's ideology :-)
- maccard 5y agoNo, you can share an idealogy but be motivated by money, or coerced. A traitor is a label for actions, not motivations.
- fourampers 5y agoCan you please recommend which book should I read about this topic? Don’t remember if I’ve seen any.
- krisoft 5y agoThank you, but I’m not. I just play a knowledgeable person for internet points. (Yes :) that is the same Ego we are talking about.) This is the document I was using: https://cyberwar.nl/d/fromCIA.gov/Burkett-MICE%20to%20RASCALS.pdf https://cyberwar.nl/d/fromCIA.gov/Burkett-MICE%20to%20RASCAL...
- LanceH 5y agoYou miss the possibility that it being leaked professionally, on purpose by the "victim".
- gostsamo 5y agoThis would fall under the "money" part of the abbreviation.
- Talanes 5y agoOr "ideology," depending on the motivation.
- LanceH 5y agoI mean it is released as part of a counterintelligence operation. While it is done professionally (for money), MICE refers to why someone would be lured to do the "wrong" thing.
- gostsamo 5y agoThen it is not a leak, it is an authorized counterintelligence operation.
- LanceH 5y agoCommon usage of leak includes deliberate action by the owner of the information, not just misappropriation.
- gostsamo 5y agoSo what? MICE is meant to help with listing the reasons why someone would betray the confidence of the organization, not to match your idea of common usage. You can leak information by mistake and this is also a valid case, but it is not included, because we are talking human resources management, not operational security or counterintelligence practices.
- worik 5y agoWhat about accident? In this case the person just shared a work anecdote that was relevant to the discussion, arguably.
- Cthulhu_ 5y agoWell, why were they sharing a work anecdote? I'd say that's also because of ego or excitement.
- cutemonster 5y agoMaybe in rare cases a leak can be by accident -- AMICE then?
- manquer 5y agoI guess in this classification, whistleblowing is idealogoical. Not sure am fully comfortable with that idea. Not all whistleblowing is idealogoical, some just expose straight up illegal activities or corruption
- b112 5y agoBut the last two are ideological.
- samhw 5y ago> Not all whistleblowing is idealogoical Is it true that not all whistleblowing is idealogoical? In order to be idaealogoical, it must be motivated by idaealeogoy. Whistleblowing is definitionally motivated by opposition to the leaked activities, making it ipso facto idaealogoiacal. Why do you think it's not idaealaogoiacal?
- OneTimePetes 5y agoThe ideological opposite to corruption is the set of all correct behaviours. This is like a opposition to law and order being seen as a political stance, meanwhile its a society per-requisit.
- Armisael16 5y agoMany requirements for society are political stances; they just aren’t interesting ones because basically everyone agrees with them.
- pc86 5y agoAt the most basic level maybe, but at some point they're not worth talking about at the same level. Saying that someone thinks we should exterminate a race of people may be a "political stance" by the most strict definition of the word, but calling it that casually elevates it out of the heinous area in which it belongs to something similar to people arguing about infrastructure spending priorities. There are certain "political stances" which cannot coexist with a peaceful, modern society.
- rawoke083600 5y agoCould add 'F' for frustration ! Either because: 1) Lack of service delivery 2) Lack of corrective action (i.e ignoring for months or years reported security holes) Sure there are many more examples.
- b112 5y agoThat's I...
- FeepingCreature 5y agoThat doesn't seem how people usually understand I.
- b112 5y agoSome people put profit over ethics. This is an ideology. "investors are counting on us", "people will lose their jobs", are examples of how people fit this ideological stance, into their morals, their ethics.
- FeepingCreature 5y agoThat still doesn't seem to be how people usually understand I.
- b112 5y agoWell, it is how I have always understood, I... and others I know. I do not see a discontinuity, when looking at the dictionary either. Maybe your local area / country has co-opted it, to only mean a subset? If you look at the dictionary, I think you'll see that it is not defined as 'radical' or 'extremist' only. What is your objection to my usage? How do you see it misused?
- FeepingCreature 5y agoWell, when I try to imagine the mindset of the military people who coined the MICE acronym, and I imagine what they see as "ideology", I don't think that "commercialization" would be in there. Hence why "money" is a separate entry. I'd assume they mean "I" to stand for "religion and things like religions", preachers, holy texts, deep convictions. In my model, they'd understand profit maximization as "just sensible behavior" and "I" as a set of deviations from such behavior.