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> Are they, now? They're not included in Standard Form 86, latest revision November 2016: https://www.opm.gov/forms/pdf_fill/sf86.pdf https://www.opm.gov/forms

> Are they, now? They're not included in Standard Form 86, latest revision November 2016: https://www.opm.gov/forms/pdf_fill/sf86.pdf https://www.opm.gov/forms/pdf_fill/sf86.pdf That's not to say it's excluded from polygraph questions; I can imagine a world where online associations are very relevant to an agency in need of a CI or full scope poly for compartment access.

Waterluvian 5y ago
Wait. Some people still get put through a complete nonsense pseudoscience polygraph test for clearance?
- evilduck 5y ago
  It’s a standard practice for a tier of Top Secret security clearance.
- User23 5y ago
  It’s like the FAANG interview process. Everyone knows it’s suboptimal, but nobody knows how to do better at that scale.
  - atatatat 5y ago
    Close. It's similar because there are lots of false negatives, but few false positives.
- Spooky23 5y ago
  It’s a polite way of saying that you’ll be randomly interrogated.
- alksjdalkj 5y ago
  My understanding is that it's used as an "interrogation" technique and that they don't really care what the machine tells them.
  - belkinpower 5y ago
    They do, I had a clearance rejected because the examiner was convinced I had previous involvement in drug manufacturing. I don’t. I’ve never even used them. Hell, I barely drink. I ended up getting a much better non-clearance job offer elsewhere so it didn’t ultimately negatively affect my career, but it’s still irritating.
- smabie 5y ago
  Is this a rhetorical question?
jdavis703 5y ago
SF-86 doesn’t ask any questions like this. They’ll send out agents to collect more in-depth questions that may probe situations like this. They’ll also ask friends, neighbors, family etc about all sorts of things. This isn’t really the kind of question a self-reported form can answer (except for the most obvious questions like debt problems). It takes a human who can synthesize various statements to get pictures like “this person could be blackmailed” or “this person can’t keep a secret.”

Waterluvian 5y ago

Wait. Some people still get put through a complete nonsense pseudoscience polygraph test for clearance?

evilduck 5y ago
It’s a standard practice for a tier of Top Secret security clearance.
User23 5y ago
It’s like the FAANG interview process. Everyone knows it’s suboptimal, but nobody knows how to do better at that scale.
- atatatat 5y ago
  Close. It's similar because there are lots of false negatives, but few false positives.
Spooky23 5y ago
It’s a polite way of saying that you’ll be randomly interrogated.
alksjdalkj 5y ago
My understanding is that it's used as an "interrogation" technique and that they don't really care what the machine tells them.
- belkinpower 5y ago
  They do, I had a clearance rejected because the examiner was convinced I had previous involvement in drug manufacturing. I don’t. I’ve never even used them. Hell, I barely drink. I ended up getting a much better non-clearance job offer elsewhere so it didn’t ultimately negatively affect my career, but it’s still irritating.
smabie 5y ago
Is this a rhetorical question?

jdavis703 5y ago

SF-86 doesn’t ask any questions like this. They’ll send out agents to collect more in-depth questions that may probe situations like this. They’ll also ask friends, neighbors, family etc about all sorts of things. This isn’t really the kind of question a self-reported form can answer (except for the most obvious questions like debt problems). It takes a human who can synthesize various statements to get pictures like “this person could be blackmailed” or “this person can’t keep a secret.”