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You don’t have kids, do you? You can say it’s a social construct all you want, but most kids engage in kinds of ply and have preferences based on their biologic

You don’t have kids, do you? You can say it’s a social construct all you want, but most kids engage in kinds of ply and have preferences based on their biological sex. Doesn’t mean some don’t, just means that this isn’t some made up evil thing.

ceejayoz 5y ago
I've got kids, and witnessed my son get bullied/criticized/teased for painting his nails until he stopped. Some preferences may come in part from biological sex (although I'd wager it's frequently two very closely overlapping bell curves), but some absolutely come from societal pressures that don't have to be present.
- garbagecoder 5y ago
  Right, so it's bullying that's the problem, not the fact that the vast majority of kids have sex-based preferences for play and no amount of legislation will fix that. I'm not saying there shouldn't be gender neutral stuff. Heck, as a parent, I tried to get as much of that kind of thing as possible both because I didn't want to force anything and because it makes hand-me-downs easier. But the point is, the vast majority of kids do have sex-based preferences for play and other things. Yes, we can accommodate those that don't, but the notion that all that stuff is merely a social construct flies in the face of lived experience and mountains of research. Boys and girls also have different socialization tendencies. We can just pretend they aren't real, but that won't do any good and it won't help non-conforming kids not get bullied.
- pixxel 5y ago
  > witnessed my son get bullied/criticized/teased for painting his nails until he stopped I took a punt and checked your Twitter bio. Sure enough it contained the explanation to your son’s schoolyard problem. You.
  - dang 5y ago
    Posting like this to HN is completely unacceptable. If you do it again we will ban you. That should be obvious if you've read the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. Edit: you've unfortunately posted quite a few unsubstantive and/or flamebait comments. Could you please not? We're trying for a different sort of site here.
    - pixxel 5y ago
      There's no delete function, heh, so please go ahead and ban this account; you'll be doing me a solid*. Many thanks and keep up the good effort. * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28553632 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28553632
dzhiurgis 5y ago
Kids will play with whatever toys you'll give them.
- garbagecoder 5y ago
  Sure, but if you aren't an asshole and give them a choice, the majority of boys prefer certain kinds of toys and play. Is all of the developmental literature part of some cis conspiracy?

ceejayoz 5y ago

I've got kids, and witnessed my son get bullied/criticized/teased for painting his nails until he stopped. Some preferences may come in part from biological sex (although I'd wager it's frequently two very closely overlapping bell curves), but some absolutely come from societal pressures that don't have to be present.

garbagecoder 5y ago
Right, so it's bullying that's the problem, not the fact that the vast majority of kids have sex-based preferences for play and no amount of legislation will fix that. I'm not saying there shouldn't be gender neutral stuff. Heck, as a parent, I tried to get as much of that kind of thing as possible both because I didn't want to force anything and because it makes hand-me-downs easier. But the point is, the vast majority of kids do have sex-based preferences for play and other things. Yes, we can accommodate those that don't, but the notion that all that stuff is merely a social construct flies in the face of lived experience and mountains of research. Boys and girls also have different socialization tendencies. We can just pretend they aren't real, but that won't do any good and it won't help non-conforming kids not get bullied.
pixxel 5y ago
> witnessed my son get bullied/criticized/teased for painting his nails until he stopped I took a punt and checked your Twitter bio. Sure enough it contained the explanation to your son’s schoolyard problem. You.
- dang 5y ago
  Posting like this to HN is completely unacceptable. If you do it again we will ban you. That should be obvious if you've read the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. Edit: you've unfortunately posted quite a few unsubstantive and/or flamebait comments. Could you please not? We're trying for a different sort of site here.
  - pixxel 5y ago
    There's no delete function, heh, so please go ahead and ban this account; you'll be doing me a solid*. Many thanks and keep up the good effort. * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28553632 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28553632

dzhiurgis 5y ago

Kids will play with whatever toys you'll give them.

garbagecoder 5y ago
Sure, but if you aren't an asshole and give them a choice, the majority of boys prefer certain kinds of toys and play. Is all of the developmental literature part of some cis conspiracy?