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There's a Discord where you can probably get the answer to your question: https://discord.gg/9dq6YB2 https://discord.gg/9dq6YB2

TeMPOraL 5y ago
Official Discords/Slacks for programming languages should be considered an antipattern - especially if they end up replacing documentation or a discussion group. It's as if the new generation of developers doesn't realize the difference between transient conversations (which is what happens on Discord/Slack) and creating knowledge (which needs to be persistent and searchable, neither of which is afforded by aforementioned chat services).
- Apocryphon 5y ago
  Did programming language projects utilize IRC channels in the past?
  - TeMPOraL 5y ago
    They did. Some software tooling still does. It's still an antipattern if it replaces documentation. This applies to communities in general (on-line and off-line). Knowledge needs to be captured outside of the minds of select participants. It's e.g. why, in our local Hackerspace, I always insisted on the rule that anything said on IRC (or later, Telegram) is non-binding - the only things that matter are ones decided on the mailing group or documented on the wiki. To do otherwise is to force out everyone who can't keep pace with the common chat.
- brundolf 5y ago
  The above are persistent and searchable, unless you're using the free version of Slack which sets a limit on persistence But regardless, my experience is that once languages reach a critical mass they do get real documentation in a more browsable format. And I think Discord is a totally valid temporary solution for documentation, and a totally valid replacement for discussion groups.
- 1MachineElf 5y ago
  FWIW, I 100% agree with you for the same reasons you outline. I was simply stating that the Discord channel exists and that the answer to the question can be found there. Sorry someone took personal offensive to that.
- Shadonototra 5y ago
  it's not a "new generation of developers" problem it comes down to the intelligence of a person having low IQ makes you do that kind of mistakes it's the same for feedback, some people prefer lies so you don't hurt people saying the truth they even institutionalize that as a rule, and they then silent you, because you hurt people by telling them actual facts without artificial rounded edges aka lub

TeMPOraL 5y ago

Official Discords/Slacks for programming languages should be considered an antipattern - especially if they end up replacing documentation or a discussion group. It's as if the new generation of developers doesn't realize the difference between transient conversations (which is what happens on Discord/Slack) and creating knowledge (which needs to be persistent and searchable, neither of which is afforded by aforementioned chat services).

Apocryphon 5y ago
Did programming language projects utilize IRC channels in the past?
- TeMPOraL 5y ago
  They did. Some software tooling still does. It's still an antipattern if it replaces documentation. This applies to communities in general (on-line and off-line). Knowledge needs to be captured outside of the minds of select participants. It's e.g. why, in our local Hackerspace, I always insisted on the rule that anything said on IRC (or later, Telegram) is non-binding - the only things that matter are ones decided on the mailing group or documented on the wiki. To do otherwise is to force out everyone who can't keep pace with the common chat.
brundolf 5y ago
The above are persistent and searchable, unless you're using the free version of Slack which sets a limit on persistence But regardless, my experience is that once languages reach a critical mass they do get real documentation in a more browsable format. And I think Discord is a totally valid temporary solution for documentation, and a totally valid replacement for discussion groups.
1MachineElf 5y ago
FWIW, I 100% agree with you for the same reasons you outline. I was simply stating that the Discord channel exists and that the answer to the question can be found there. Sorry someone took personal offensive to that.
Shadonototra 5y ago
it's not a "new generation of developers" problem it comes down to the intelligence of a person having low IQ makes you do that kind of mistakes it's the same for feedback, some people prefer lies so you don't hurt people saying the truth they even institutionalize that as a rule, and they then silent you, because you hurt people by telling them actual facts without artificial rounded edges aka lub