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> America is generally pretty allergic to socialist ideas. I think yes, we often feel allergic to government ownership of things (at least that's how I see soc
by jimkleiber 5y ago
> America is generally pretty allergic to socialist ideas.
I think yes, we often feel allergic to government ownership of things (at least that's how I see socialism, which may not be how others see it), yet I don't think that's why many of us don't like coops, as publicly traded companies are owned by many people through the stock markets.
I think what may hinder the rise of coops in the US is ironically our allergy to democracy in business. We seem to love democracy in governance yet prefer top-down authoritarianism in business (and mostly in the military, minus the civilian leaders). Most coops I know strongly emphasize democratic governance, where all shareholders are equal in voting power, and most businesses I know are very far from that.
I think the desire for and familiarity with top-down governance (which seems like authoritarianism to me) that we get in the business world is influencing many of our attitudes towards on democracy in governance, as top-down can be quicker, more adaptive, more efficient, etc
However, I wonder if the perception of being exploited by some of these large companies, especially in the consumer tech sector, will lead to a demand for more democratic/representative governance, as we see with some DAOs and more.
I personally would love to see more coop Clubhouses, Facebook, TikToks, etc. Let the users 1) have more decision making power on the platform and 2) receive more profits from the services.
- zja 5y agoVery well said! You might find this talk interesting, it’s about “democracy at work” as a new-ish flavor of socialism. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ynbgMKclWWc https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ynbgMKclWWc
- jimkleiber 5y agoAhh thanks! I'll check it out. I think unfortunately the word socialism evokes so many emotions and different interpretations in people that I try to not use it, although I do like the concept of "democracy at work" :-) perhaps I'll change perspective after the video
- Zababa 5y ago> yet I don't think that's why many of us don't like coops, as publicly traded companies are owned by many people through the stock markets. That's not the same thing. The concept of coops is that the people that work in them own them.
- jimkleiber 5y agoIn some coops yes: worker cooperatives. There are many styles—if you're in the US, you may not know that REI, the outdoor store, is also a coop, albeit a retail one.