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The "both sides" arguments are total BS here. Fox News clearly entertains lies and factually untrue statements, while actively discouraging the vaccine. You ma

The "both sides" arguments are total BS here. Fox News clearly entertains lies and factually untrue statements, while actively discouraging the vaccine. You may not like that CNN endorses vaccination, but you'd be hard pressed to catch them in even a simple incorrect statement, much less an intentional lie, let alone at the same order of magnitude. It is hard not to endorse vaccination if you understand the science.

rkk3 5y ago
Here's a prominent example of the left politicizing the vaccine... "If Trump tells us to take it [The Vaccine], I won't" - Kamala Harris https://www.cbsnews.com/video/2020-vp-debate-kamala-harris-on-coronavirus-vaccine/ https://www.cbsnews.com/video/2020-vp-debate-kamala-harris-o...
- ineptech 5y ago
  That's egregiously misleading. In context she clearly said that she would take it, but only when scientists say it's safe, not when Trump says so. (I will concede that, in implying that Trump would push people to get a vaccine before it was ready, she was wildly wrong.)
  - rkk3 5y ago
    > I will concede that, in implying that Trump would push people to get a vaccine before it was ready, she was wildly wrong. Exactly, she (the left) also politicized the vaccine. QED
    - bayesian_horse 5y ago
      She wouldn't have needed to politicize health policy at all if Trump and his administration had shown a basic level of competence and honesty around that topic. The fear that Trump might push an unproven, unsatisfactory vaccine, was legitimate. Doing so would have damaged the actual vaccination campaign immensely.
- bayesian_horse 5y ago
  What do you want to say with this link? That CBS lied that Harris said that? That Harris lied about her mistrust of Donald Trump and his administration? She is clearly referring to the potential scenario back last year when Trump could be pushing for a vaccine to be approved and released that did not satisfy scientific medical standards, just to benefit in the election. That stance doesn't fit in a few seconds of sound bite, of course.
  - rkk3 5y ago
    > What do you want to say with this link? That the left was also guilty of politicizing the vaccine & throwing doubting on its safety when it was politically expedient.
    - bayesian_horse 5y ago
      CNN is not "the left". Nor did Kamala Harris throw doubt on an existing and proven vaccine. No vaccine had been approved at that point, whereas Trump was blundering through the pandemic response in search of any way to save his political hide. There was a lot of evidence Trump put pressure on public health officials to downplay the pandemic and put people at more risk than necessary. Trump had already been known to be conman before he was elected. Everything we learned since only put more details on that fact.
      - rkk3 5y ago
        > Nor did Kamala Harris throw doubt on an existing and proven vaccine They did exist, were 6+ months and several stages into trials & were given temporary authorization only 2 months latter. She fomented fear & distrust about the safety of vaccines to score talking points in a debate. Not sure why you think she should get a free pass.
        bayesian_horse 5y ago
        You are completely lying. The vaccines weren't approved yet, end of story. Trump admitted in interviews with Bob Woodward that he was lying about the pandemic. What more proof do you need for him to be completely untrustworthy on the topic?
- JKCalhoun 5y ago
  If you're going to say "the left" does this, you should be able to do better than a singular example from over year ago.
  - rkk3 5y ago
    I said "the left" because they were disagreeing with both sides politicizing vaccines. A year ago there was widespread fear-mongering about the vaccine being unsafe because it was produced under the trump administration, that quote was representative.

rkk3 5y ago

Here's a prominent example of the left politicizing the vaccine... "If Trump tells us to take it [The Vaccine], I won't" - Kamala Harris https://www.cbsnews.com/video/2020-vp-debate-kamala-harris-on-coronavirus-vaccine/ https://www.cbsnews.com/video/2020-vp-debate-kamala-harris-o...

ineptech 5y ago
That's egregiously misleading. In context she clearly said that she would take it, but only when scientists say it's safe, not when Trump says so. (I will concede that, in implying that Trump would push people to get a vaccine before it was ready, she was wildly wrong.)
- rkk3 5y ago
  > I will concede that, in implying that Trump would push people to get a vaccine before it was ready, she was wildly wrong. Exactly, she (the left) also politicized the vaccine. QED
  - bayesian_horse 5y ago
    She wouldn't have needed to politicize health policy at all if Trump and his administration had shown a basic level of competence and honesty around that topic. The fear that Trump might push an unproven, unsatisfactory vaccine, was legitimate. Doing so would have damaged the actual vaccination campaign immensely.
bayesian_horse 5y ago
What do you want to say with this link? That CBS lied that Harris said that? That Harris lied about her mistrust of Donald Trump and his administration? She is clearly referring to the potential scenario back last year when Trump could be pushing for a vaccine to be approved and released that did not satisfy scientific medical standards, just to benefit in the election. That stance doesn't fit in a few seconds of sound bite, of course.
- rkk3 5y ago
  > What do you want to say with this link? That the left was also guilty of politicizing the vaccine & throwing doubting on its safety when it was politically expedient.
  - bayesian_horse 5y ago
    CNN is not "the left". Nor did Kamala Harris throw doubt on an existing and proven vaccine. No vaccine had been approved at that point, whereas Trump was blundering through the pandemic response in search of any way to save his political hide. There was a lot of evidence Trump put pressure on public health officials to downplay the pandemic and put people at more risk than necessary. Trump had already been known to be conman before he was elected. Everything we learned since only put more details on that fact.
    - rkk3 5y ago
      > Nor did Kamala Harris throw doubt on an existing and proven vaccine They did exist, were 6+ months and several stages into trials & were given temporary authorization only 2 months latter. She fomented fear & distrust about the safety of vaccines to score talking points in a debate. Not sure why you think she should get a free pass.
      - bayesian_horse 5y ago
        You are completely lying. The vaccines weren't approved yet, end of story. Trump admitted in interviews with Bob Woodward that he was lying about the pandemic. What more proof do you need for him to be completely untrustworthy on the topic?
JKCalhoun 5y ago
If you're going to say "the left" does this, you should be able to do better than a singular example from over year ago.
- rkk3 5y ago
  I said "the left" because they were disagreeing with both sides politicizing vaccines. A year ago there was widespread fear-mongering about the vaccine being unsafe because it was produced under the trump administration, that quote was representative.