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I would be very curious to see how you would connect those dots. Do go on...

cscurmudgeon 5y ago
Here you go: https://www.wsj.com/articles/get-ready-for-the-struggle-session-11552003346 https://www.wsj.com/articles/get-ready-for-the-struggle-sess... You are welcome. Edit: Parent comment edited. See that.
- jjulius 5y ago
  Given that HN tries to foster discussion, I was hoping that "you would". You know, in your own words. Surely if you feel strongly enough about something, you'd be capable of discussing your viewpoint instead of just dropping a few links at random.
  - aww_dang 5y ago
    Maybe try asking more pointed questions?
- hdjjhhvvhga 5y ago
  Given that the OP was has been flagged into oblivion, I can only guess they were talking about parallelism between the Cultural Revolution in China and the cultural revolution happening right now in the USA and spilling all over several Western countries. One crucial difference is that in the West, the worst that can happen to you is getting fired. In Communist China, thousand were murdered in cruel ways. This hasn't happened in Western democracies and I very much doubt it would, in a foreseeable future - because the basic sets of values are different.
  - wolverine876 5y ago
    > cultural revolution happening right now in the USA The OP was attacking the left, but they have no political power. The cultural revolution is the reactionary, populist right-wing one - they recently ran the White House, they control a major political party, and they run many states, such as Texas and Florida.
  - systemvoltage 5y ago
    > One crucial difference is that in the West, the worst that can happen to you is getting fired. In Communist China, thousand were murdered in cruel ways. Getting fired, losing sole source of income, contemplating suicide and spiraling into depression are all issues that liberals fight to eradicate. I would’nt wish this to the worst enemies, even if they’re racist or bigoted or whatever. We have laws and criminal justice system. Sounds cruel and despicable.
twofornone 5y ago
Do you need links of BLM riot footage? Millions of people rallying to raise their fists and yell and chant against "racism" "white supremacy" which are transparent euphemisms for their outgroup and scapegoat? Surely the parallels are obvious, even if you agree with the cause, no? Or perhaps you didn't see such imagery without "fiery but mostly peaceful" disclaimers? Edit: here's one of the first search results for "blm struggle session" but I have about a hundred gb of similar footage, including literal communist recruitment via megaphone https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMtvgNfdyMo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMtvgNfdyMo. I'd be happy to upload a torrent since so much of the footage has literally been wiped from the internet. Edit: oh, and how could I forget the "diversity [re]education" camps that white male (and only white male) employees have been coerced into attending, including executives at a diverse assortment of companies like Lockheed Martin and Coca Cola, where participants are asked to list all the ways in which their whiteness is problematic. If that isn't a struggle session, I don't know what is.
- aftbit 5y ago
  Please do upload a torrent. These videos should be kept alive and present in the discussion to guard against the obvious dangers. Regardless of what you think about disinformation, censorship does not serve our interests. Instead of deleting these videos, they should be hidden behind a clickthrough that provides the missing context.
- orf 5y ago
  Do you also have hundreds of gb’s of footage of police brutality against minorities and white supremacy marches? Or is it just footage of minorities struggling against a system that doesn’t work for them? If so, why?
  - vishho 5y ago
    Yes. You too can get an account for 49$ recurring. If you are interested that is. One weekend in the month we go over to Joe's and watch the best brutality videos together. Bring some beers and you are very welcome, mate!
jbm 5y ago
To try to steelman the argument, I believe the main point can be expressed as follows; 1. China is trying to censor Wikimedia at the world stage for their political purposes 2. Some Social Justice related groups have similar outlooks towards using censorship against their opponents. If we don't stop them, we will have their preferred flavour of censorship imposed on us, with widespread suffering of non-conformers. This will follow the pattern of Communist China during the cultural revolution. The reason for the deliberate vagueness is that the idea is overly dramatized and only tangentially related to the topic at hand. We already have the censorship they complain about; it is social mores. Decent people don't use terms derogatory terms towards strangers in public places. They don't scrutinize the background of every Oxy patient in order to determine whether or not they deserve to die. As for out groups being ostracized from society; well yes? I think that's generally the case everywhere. If you don't fit into the morals of a larger society, you aren't going to have a good time. The implicit threat, though, is nonsense. Communist China in the 1960s was a complete top-down command society and Mao was using his cult of personality to try to regain influence (potentially influenced by the Gang of Four). Is there anyone in the US who actually has that kind of influence over all of society? If anything, the only person I know who claims influence over a portion of American Society is DJT - and he can't even convince his followers to get vaccinated without getting booed. I don't really feel much sympathy for the argument.

Here you go: https://www.wsj.com/articles/get-ready-for-the-struggle-session-11552003346 https://www.wsj.com/articles/get-ready-for-the-struggle-sess... You are welcome. Edit: Parent comment edited. See that.

jjulius 5y ago
Given that HN tries to foster discussion, I was hoping that "you would". You know, in your own words. Surely if you feel strongly enough about something, you'd be capable of discussing your viewpoint instead of just dropping a few links at random.
- aww_dang 5y ago
  Maybe try asking more pointed questions?
hdjjhhvvhga 5y ago
Given that the OP was has been flagged into oblivion, I can only guess they were talking about parallelism between the Cultural Revolution in China and the cultural revolution happening right now in the USA and spilling all over several Western countries. One crucial difference is that in the West, the worst that can happen to you is getting fired. In Communist China, thousand were murdered in cruel ways. This hasn't happened in Western democracies and I very much doubt it would, in a foreseeable future - because the basic sets of values are different.
- wolverine876 5y ago
  > cultural revolution happening right now in the USA The OP was attacking the left, but they have no political power. The cultural revolution is the reactionary, populist right-wing one - they recently ran the White House, they control a major political party, and they run many states, such as Texas and Florida.
- systemvoltage 5y ago
  > One crucial difference is that in the West, the worst that can happen to you is getting fired. In Communist China, thousand were murdered in cruel ways. Getting fired, losing sole source of income, contemplating suicide and spiraling into depression are all issues that liberals fight to eradicate. I would’nt wish this to the worst enemies, even if they’re racist or bigoted or whatever. We have laws and criminal justice system. Sounds cruel and despicable.

twofornone 5y ago

Do you need links of BLM riot footage? Millions of people rallying to raise their fists and yell and chant against "racism" "white supremacy" which are transparent euphemisms for their outgroup and scapegoat? Surely the parallels are obvious, even if you agree with the cause, no? Or perhaps you didn't see such imagery without "fiery but mostly peaceful" disclaimers? Edit: here's one of the first search results for "blm struggle session" but I have about a hundred gb of similar footage, including literal communist recruitment via megaphone https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMtvgNfdyMo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMtvgNfdyMo. I'd be happy to upload a torrent since so much of the footage has literally been wiped from the internet. Edit: oh, and how could I forget the "diversity [re]education" camps that white male (and only white male) employees have been coerced into attending, including executives at a diverse assortment of companies like Lockheed Martin and Coca Cola, where participants are asked to list all the ways in which their whiteness is problematic. If that isn't a struggle session, I don't know what is.

aftbit 5y ago
Please do upload a torrent. These videos should be kept alive and present in the discussion to guard against the obvious dangers. Regardless of what you think about disinformation, censorship does not serve our interests. Instead of deleting these videos, they should be hidden behind a clickthrough that provides the missing context.
orf 5y ago
Do you also have hundreds of gb’s of footage of police brutality against minorities and white supremacy marches? Or is it just footage of minorities struggling against a system that doesn’t work for them? If so, why?
- vishho 5y ago
  Yes. You too can get an account for 49$ recurring. If you are interested that is. One weekend in the month we go over to Joe's and watch the best brutality videos together. Bring some beers and you are very welcome, mate!

jbm 5y ago

To try to steelman the argument, I believe the main point can be expressed as follows; 1. China is trying to censor Wikimedia at the world stage for their political purposes 2. Some Social Justice related groups have similar outlooks towards using censorship against their opponents. If we don't stop them, we will have their preferred flavour of censorship imposed on us, with widespread suffering of non-conformers. This will follow the pattern of Communist China during the cultural revolution. The reason for the deliberate vagueness is that the idea is overly dramatized and only tangentially related to the topic at hand. We already have the censorship they complain about; it is social mores. Decent people don't use terms derogatory terms towards strangers in public places. They don't scrutinize the background of every Oxy patient in order to determine whether or not they deserve to die. As for out groups being ostracized from society; well yes? I think that's generally the case everywhere. If you don't fit into the morals of a larger society, you aren't going to have a good time. The implicit threat, though, is nonsense. Communist China in the 1960s was a complete top-down command society and Mao was using his cult of personality to try to regain influence (potentially influenced by the Gang of Four). Is there anyone in the US who actually has that kind of influence over all of society? If anything, the only person I know who claims influence over a portion of American Society is DJT - and he can't even convince his followers to get vaccinated without getting booed. I don't really feel much sympathy for the argument.