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It seems like privacy isn't popular enough to enable a third player in the market. I wonder if "cheap" would be popular enough to make a dent. Like someone ch
by tyingq 5y ago
It seems like privacy isn't popular enough to enable a third player in the market. I wonder if "cheap" would be popular enough to make a dent. Like someone churning out de-googled AOSP phones cheap enough to attract market share.
- judge2020 5y agoI can imagine almost everyone targeted by your marketing are also interested in benefiting from the immensely valuable, free* services provided by Google. *: obviously paid with privacy, but that does mean less money leaves the user's bank account
- kristofferR 5y agoThe "cheaper" customers you get, the less they demand. That includes privacy, unfortunately.
- tyingq 5y agoYes, the idea is to give them privacy even though they aren't asking for privacy, just "cheap".
- kmonsen 5y agoBut you have to make up the costs somehow. It's like websites, all the cheapest one are full of scammy ads and tracking software. Most cheaper phones will just get revenue from selling users info instead.
- simonh 5y agoHow do you undercut competitors that are doing what you do, but also have a revenue stream from compromising customer privacy, and are skimping on investment in securing their products?
- smoldesu 5y agoYou'd likely attract the ire of some 3-letter-agencies long before you found your market. Even low-volume devices like the Pinephone and Librem have come under fire for potentially including hardware backdoors in newer models. It's a game of cat-and-mouse, where the cat has unlimited resources.
- imwillofficial 5y agoI didn’t know this, could you share some reading on this potential scandal?
- smoldesu 5y agoI'm not fully clued-in to the situation (why I included the word "potentially"), but I've been hearing that the latest Pinephone shipping delay was in part due to the fact that the board schematic changed slightly. Details on this seem very sparse, but I'm sure you could get the full story if you poke someone in the right IRC channel.
- mfer 5y agoI don’t think that it’s popularity that’s the issue. Let’s say a lot of people wanted it, where would it come from? Invading privacy and using that pays. If your hi is to make lots of money while maximizing profit you’re going to invade privacy. If you don’t and you’re public shareholders might complain about leaving money on the table. Then there are those who often focus on privacy tools. They often don’t end up building rolls with a user experience for the every person. It’s complicated.
- sofixa 5y agoThe cheaper you go, the more the manufacturer needs to add crap and tracking and ads to make up the margins ( e.g. that's what Xiaomi do).
- fsflover 5y agoThere are third players: https://puri.sm/products/librem-5 https://puri.sm/products/librem-5 and https://pine64.org/pinephone https://pine64.org/pinephone.
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- kaba0 5y agoA third player would have to create an ecosystem as well, and companies barely want to write apps for two platforms, let alone one with zero users/money. It either has to be able to run one platform’s apps, or have some alternative support. The latter can be the open source world, but than why depart from Android, when its core is FOSS?