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It is time for talented teenagers to stop going to illiberal institutions. Consider getting your education at a place with values you can respect. Mission-dri

It is time for talented teenagers to stop going to illiberal institutions. Consider getting your education at a place with values you can respect. Mission-driven schools: this is your moment.

lugged 5y ago
A mission driven school? Sort of like Evergreen State?
- civilized 5y ago
  Well, do take a look at what the mission is first. And how it is lived out on campus. Due diligence like you'd do for any big life decision.
hn_throwaway_99 5y ago
Trying to remember the source of the quote that basically says that whenever you try to open a "free speech" area to protect from illiberal witch hunts, you end up with a community of like 3 principled libertarians and ten thousand witches. Difficult for me to imagine some sort of "mission driven school", especially advertised as a counterpoint to elite University cancel culture, didn't just turn into just as much of an illiberal institution, but just with a hard right/conservative bias.
- iammisc 5y ago
  > Difficult for me to imagine some sort of "mission driven school", especially advertised as a counterpoint to elite University cancel culture, didn't just turn into just as much of an illiberal institution, but just with a hard right/conservative bias. Perhaps what we perceive as a 'conservative' bias is just what centrist discourse used to be like before the twitter mobs?
- civilized 5y ago
  Here are some schools that endorse the Chicago Statement on Freedom of Expression: https://www.thefire.org/chicago-statement-university-and-faculty-body-support/ https://www.thefire.org/chicago-statement-university-and-fac... It's a diverse mix of state universities and a few elite private ones. No right-wing captured institutions as far as I can tell. Being right-wing is not even a positive indicator for liberal values and support of free speech, IMO. Right wingers just cancel people for different reasons. Liberal values are not on the left-right spectrum in 2021, if they ever were.
- teddyh 5y ago
  The quote you are thinking of is from the Slate Star Codex article “Neutral vs. Conservative: The Eternal Struggle” https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/05/01/neutral-vs-conservative-the-eternal-struggle/ https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/05/01/neutral-vs-conservativ... “The moral of the story is: if you’re against witch-hunts, and you promise to found your own little utopian community where witch-hunts will never happen, your new society will end up consisting of approximately three principled civil libertarians and seven zillion witches. It will be a terrible place to live even if witch-hunts are genuinely wrong.”
ramraj07 5y ago
I agree but for a different reason: you’re probably gonna get a better education than in most of these football down in the goonies universities. If football is what drives the funding and the students guess what drives the priorities as well?
- kjkjadksj 5y ago
  It can actually be good to go to a football school if its large enough. That wing of the university prints money to support all the other branches that otherwise would be starved of funding. Ironically, its probably disinterest liberal arts students who benefit the most from their school’s football program. Ohio State is very much a football school and it has great academics especially in engineering, business, cancer research, a national leader in agricultural sciences too, with brand new buildings all over its massive campus. Other public schools in the great lakes region that aren’t in the B1G ten football conference look like satellite campuses by comparison.

It is time for talented teenagers to stop going to illiberal institutions. Consider getting your education at a place with values you can respect. Mission-driven schools: this is your moment.

lugged 5y ago

A mission driven school? Sort of like Evergreen State?

civilized 5y ago
Well, do take a look at what the mission is first. And how it is lived out on campus. Due diligence like you'd do for any big life decision.

hn_throwaway_99 5y ago

Trying to remember the source of the quote that basically says that whenever you try to open a "free speech" area to protect from illiberal witch hunts, you end up with a community of like 3 principled libertarians and ten thousand witches. Difficult for me to imagine some sort of "mission driven school", especially advertised as a counterpoint to elite University cancel culture, didn't just turn into just as much of an illiberal institution, but just with a hard right/conservative bias.

iammisc 5y ago
> Difficult for me to imagine some sort of "mission driven school", especially advertised as a counterpoint to elite University cancel culture, didn't just turn into just as much of an illiberal institution, but just with a hard right/conservative bias. Perhaps what we perceive as a 'conservative' bias is just what centrist discourse used to be like before the twitter mobs?
civilized 5y ago
Here are some schools that endorse the Chicago Statement on Freedom of Expression: https://www.thefire.org/chicago-statement-university-and-faculty-body-support/ https://www.thefire.org/chicago-statement-university-and-fac... It's a diverse mix of state universities and a few elite private ones. No right-wing captured institutions as far as I can tell. Being right-wing is not even a positive indicator for liberal values and support of free speech, IMO. Right wingers just cancel people for different reasons. Liberal values are not on the left-right spectrum in 2021, if they ever were.
teddyh 5y ago
The quote you are thinking of is from the Slate Star Codex article “Neutral vs. Conservative: The Eternal Struggle” https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/05/01/neutral-vs-conservative-the-eternal-struggle/ https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/05/01/neutral-vs-conservativ... “The moral of the story is: if you’re against witch-hunts, and you promise to found your own little utopian community where witch-hunts will never happen, your new society will end up consisting of approximately three principled civil libertarians and seven zillion witches. It will be a terrible place to live even if witch-hunts are genuinely wrong.”

ramraj07 5y ago

I agree but for a different reason: you’re probably gonna get a better education than in most of these football down in the goonies universities. If football is what drives the funding and the students guess what drives the priorities as well?

kjkjadksj 5y ago
It can actually be good to go to a football school if its large enough. That wing of the university prints money to support all the other branches that otherwise would be starved of funding. Ironically, its probably disinterest liberal arts students who benefit the most from their school’s football program. Ohio State is very much a football school and it has great academics especially in engineering, business, cancer research, a national leader in agricultural sciences too, with brand new buildings all over its massive campus. Other public schools in the great lakes region that aren’t in the B1G ten football conference look like satellite campuses by comparison.