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Should I explore perspectives outside of accepted party narratives? I think not

Xylakant 5y ago
“Man muss aber nicht an jeder Mülltonne schnuppern, um zu wissen, dass sie stinkt.” (Loosely translated: you don’t need to sniff on every trash can to know that it smells.” There’s value in reading things that fall outside your preferred narrative. But that’s not an excuse to value everything, no matter how far removed from reality it is.
pjc50 5y ago
Rather like minmaxing, once you encounter something severely discredited there's no point going on and you can prune that whole dialogue tree. If people want to convince me, they need to lead with their strongest evidence.
- specialist 5y ago
  Exactly. My personal catalog of "fast fail" heuristics. Alas, it takes a while to compile all the tropes, dog whistles, talking points. > If people want to convince me, they need to lead with their strongest evidence. Yes and: I considered myself a Popperian. I used to think discourse and reason could solve all of our problems. Ha. How do I talk to my creationist (for instance) family members? What can I say that hasn't been said before? I can't. And even if I could, I don't have the resources or wherewithal to counterbalance the tsunami of noise. So I adapted. One consequence is I'm now a predictionist. Whatever that's called. (Utilitarian?) For public discourse, rhetoric, policy I no longer care about base truth, objective reality. Just make some predictions and stand by them. How does a belief in creationism, young earth, supply side economics, herd immunity, or whatever (for instances) help me navigate the world? As I aged, I had less drive to refute every utterance about astrology (for instance). Now I no longer feel compelled or obligated to refute any other given cult. Okay, I think that's my rant. Oh my god, family can push our buttons.
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diego_moita 5y ago
Should I eat manure to know it tastes awful? I think not, it is enough to know where it comes from. But, if you disagree, by all means feast yourself.
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specialist 5y ago
aka Teach the controversy.

“Man muss aber nicht an jeder Mülltonne schnuppern, um zu wissen, dass sie stinkt.” (Loosely translated: you don’t need to sniff on every trash can to know that it smells.” There’s value in reading things that fall outside your preferred narrative. But that’s not an excuse to value everything, no matter how far removed from reality it is.

pjc50 5y ago

Rather like minmaxing, once you encounter something severely discredited there's no point going on and you can prune that whole dialogue tree. If people want to convince me, they need to lead with their strongest evidence.

specialist 5y ago
Exactly. My personal catalog of "fast fail" heuristics. Alas, it takes a while to compile all the tropes, dog whistles, talking points. > If people want to convince me, they need to lead with their strongest evidence. Yes and: I considered myself a Popperian. I used to think discourse and reason could solve all of our problems. Ha. How do I talk to my creationist (for instance) family members? What can I say that hasn't been said before? I can't. And even if I could, I don't have the resources or wherewithal to counterbalance the tsunami of noise. So I adapted. One consequence is I'm now a predictionist. Whatever that's called. (Utilitarian?) For public discourse, rhetoric, policy I no longer care about base truth, objective reality. Just make some predictions and stand by them. How does a belief in creationism, young earth, supply side economics, herd immunity, or whatever (for instances) help me navigate the world? As I aged, I had less drive to refute every utterance about astrology (for instance). Now I no longer feel compelled or obligated to refute any other given cult. Okay, I think that's my rant. Oh my god, family can push our buttons.

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diego_moita 5y ago

Should I eat manure to know it tastes awful? I think not, it is enough to know where it comes from. But, if you disagree, by all means feast yourself.

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specialist 5y ago

aka Teach the controversy.