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PBS and NPR provide a good counterpoint. They are relatively civilized media, and while some might argue they are propagandistic, I tend to think they are much

PBS and NPR provide a good counterpoint. They are relatively civilized media, and while some might argue they are propagandistic, I tend to think they are much more centrist than the Fox News and MSNBCs of the world. Just because we offer a utility doesn't mean that we need to shut down what's already out there. FWIW, we dragged our feet for a very long time banning tobacco from many public places, probably in large part because of lobbying. What do you think is the mechanism by which Japanese legislators would be incentivized to systematically slow down tobacco legislation?

fineIllregister 5y ago
PBS and NPR are not government owned or controlled. A more apt comparison would probably be Voice of America.
- darkerside 5y ago
  PBS was a bad example, as I thought it was more similar to NPR. NPR is not a perfect example, but was founded through an act of Congress and is operated by public institutions. BBC is probably a better example. I'm thinking of domestic media.
m0zg 5y ago
I turn on NPR from time to time out of curiosity, and immediately regret it. It _used to be_ balanced, but now it's full-on hard left. It used to be that there actually was some diversity of opinion on NPR. Nowadays you don't even need to guess what points of view you will hear about hot button issues - it's hard left without fail. IOW they have obviated the need for themselves by making it possible to foresee what they will say without tuning in. That said, that's how it is with most media nowadays not just NPR, including this very site. It has become socially unacceptable to surface dissent.
- bradknowles 5y ago
  With respect, no. What has happened is that everyone else has shifted hard right. NPR has stayed exactly where it was.
  - m0zg 5y ago
    No way. Trump derangement syndrome was (and arguably still is) on full display. Every hoax was presented strictly as a fact. Not a single positive comment on any of the policies, including the unambiguously positive things such as Israeli / Arab peace accords, withdrawal from Syria, and de-escalation in Korea, and so on. You'd have to be willfully blind to conclude what you've concluded.
    - darkerside 5y ago
      Trump Shock is not a partisan issue. People on both sides of the aisle have been disgusted by his personal traits to the point that they are blind to the positive things that came from his reign. Note that this is a nonpartisan comment.

fineIllregister 5y ago

PBS and NPR are not government owned or controlled. A more apt comparison would probably be Voice of America.

darkerside 5y ago
PBS was a bad example, as I thought it was more similar to NPR. NPR is not a perfect example, but was founded through an act of Congress and is operated by public institutions. BBC is probably a better example. I'm thinking of domestic media.

m0zg 5y ago

I turn on NPR from time to time out of curiosity, and immediately regret it. It _used to be_ balanced, but now it's full-on hard left. It used to be that there actually was some diversity of opinion on NPR. Nowadays you don't even need to guess what points of view you will hear about hot button issues - it's hard left without fail. IOW they have obviated the need for themselves by making it possible to foresee what they will say without tuning in. That said, that's how it is with most media nowadays not just NPR, including this very site. It has become socially unacceptable to surface dissent.

bradknowles 5y ago
With respect, no. What has happened is that everyone else has shifted hard right. NPR has stayed exactly where it was.
- m0zg 5y ago
  No way. Trump derangement syndrome was (and arguably still is) on full display. Every hoax was presented strictly as a fact. Not a single positive comment on any of the policies, including the unambiguously positive things such as Israeli / Arab peace accords, withdrawal from Syria, and de-escalation in Korea, and so on. You'd have to be willfully blind to conclude what you've concluded.
  - darkerside 5y ago
    Trump Shock is not a partisan issue. People on both sides of the aisle have been disgusted by his personal traits to the point that they are blind to the positive things that came from his reign. Note that this is a nonpartisan comment.