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An overview: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/09/pandemic-australia-still-liberal-democracy/619940/ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021

An overview: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/09/pandemic-australia-still-liberal-democracy/619940/ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/09/pandemic-a... Allowing people to leave their house for up to an hour of exercise: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-58277503 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-58277503 Firing on protesters: https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/sep/21/victoria-covid-update-rubber-bullets-fired-on-second-day-of-construction-protests-which-block-freeway https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/sep/21/victo...

BigJono 5y ago
"violators" aren't being shot with rubber bullets. Nazi fuckwits are being shot with rubber bullets after being given hours to leave their violent protests of their own free will before attacking police with projectiles and charging at them. I watched the entire thing live, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. The Guardian also did an expose on the instigators of those protests are accessed a group chat where the organisers were discussing how to slowly introduce the "Jewish question" to the crowd they'd managed to rile up.
- chroem- 5y ago
  They're trade unionists. Not exactly the type of people I would put at the top of my suspected "nazi fuckwits" list.
  - SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
    Well, perhaps they need to move up your list now. The "anti-lockdown protests" have consistently attracted some very unpleasant kooks, cranks and opportunists, from the "5g mind control" lot to the "international banker conspiracy" lot. It's omni-nutty. Piers Corbyn is a regular at the UK ones. In the US, I am sure that all roads lead to QAnon and their anti-Semitic totalising conspiracy theory. The intensity and nature of crankery is shifting.
    - nitrogen 5y ago
      I'm sure all those "kooks, cranks and opportunists" had breakfast, too. Should we start calling French toast a conspiracy? Last year when people (in the US) were protesting, violent protests were called "mostly peaceful" because it was claimed that there was a peaceful majority and an opportunistic minority. Why be so eager to do the opposite now and taint the majority with the odd few? In other words, someone off the rails agreeing with a large group on one issue doesn't mean the whole group is off the rails.
      - SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
        > someone off the rails agreeing with a large group on one issue doesn't mean the whole group is off the rails. No, it means that the "nazi fuckwits" and "off the rails people" are _recruiting_ and doing so where the audience is worked up and receptive to their radicalisation.
        nitrogen 5y ago
        What should we expect when we are pushing any disagreement whatsoever out of the mainstream? I was vaccinated the day I was able to be, but if I started browbeating everyone else around me who was slower, they'd just cut off contact and start associating with people who weren't total jerks to them. If the only ones who are listening to the disagreeing moderates are radicals, we should expect an increase in radicalization.
        SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
        Are you saying that it's the fault of the groups not directly present, we can blame the moderates who aren't there? You'll either eject the cranks or become them. The (possibly apocryphal) tale is "As we say in Germany, if there’s a Nazi at the table and 10 other people sitting there talking to him, you got a table with 11 Nazis." This dynamic has happened many many times on the left, with the far left cranks.
      - BigJono 5y ago

BigJono 5y ago

"violators" aren't being shot with rubber bullets. Nazi fuckwits are being shot with rubber bullets after being given hours to leave their violent protests of their own free will before attacking police with projectiles and charging at them. I watched the entire thing live, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. The Guardian also did an expose on the instigators of those protests are accessed a group chat where the organisers were discussing how to slowly introduce the "Jewish question" to the crowd they'd managed to rile up.

chroem- 5y ago
They're trade unionists. Not exactly the type of people I would put at the top of my suspected "nazi fuckwits" list.
- SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
  Well, perhaps they need to move up your list now. The "anti-lockdown protests" have consistently attracted some very unpleasant kooks, cranks and opportunists, from the "5g mind control" lot to the "international banker conspiracy" lot. It's omni-nutty. Piers Corbyn is a regular at the UK ones. In the US, I am sure that all roads lead to QAnon and their anti-Semitic totalising conspiracy theory. The intensity and nature of crankery is shifting.
  - nitrogen 5y ago
    I'm sure all those "kooks, cranks and opportunists" had breakfast, too. Should we start calling French toast a conspiracy? Last year when people (in the US) were protesting, violent protests were called "mostly peaceful" because it was claimed that there was a peaceful majority and an opportunistic minority. Why be so eager to do the opposite now and taint the majority with the odd few? In other words, someone off the rails agreeing with a large group on one issue doesn't mean the whole group is off the rails.
    - SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
      > someone off the rails agreeing with a large group on one issue doesn't mean the whole group is off the rails. No, it means that the "nazi fuckwits" and "off the rails people" are _recruiting_ and doing so where the audience is worked up and receptive to their radicalisation.
      - nitrogen 5y ago
        What should we expect when we are pushing any disagreement whatsoever out of the mainstream? I was vaccinated the day I was able to be, but if I started browbeating everyone else around me who was slower, they'd just cut off contact and start associating with people who weren't total jerks to them. If the only ones who are listening to the disagreeing moderates are radicals, we should expect an increase in radicalization.
        SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
        Are you saying that it's the fault of the groups not directly present, we can blame the moderates who aren't there? You'll either eject the cranks or become them. The (possibly apocryphal) tale is "As we say in Germany, if there’s a Nazi at the table and 10 other people sitting there talking to him, you got a table with 11 Nazis." This dynamic has happened many many times on the left, with the far left cranks.
    - BigJono 5y ago