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Paid off in what exactly? Many of our provincial governments have implemented totalitarian measures despite an insanely high vaccination rate and low death rat

Paid off in what exactly? Many of our provincial governments have implemented totalitarian measures despite an insanely high vaccination rate and low death rate - creating a medically segregated society. In one province, the government has given itself vast power to perform warrantless search, confiscate property and conscript any person to the cause of "managing the emergency". Our courts uphold the measures because of the 'unprecedence' of a global pandemic of a disease with a median survival rate of 99.8% where the VAST majority of deaths are in people over 60 and in many places we have vaccination rates higher than 95% in that demographic. The federal government is about to implement a no-fly or rail policy for unvaccinated people - whether you are a citizen or not. If you're a foreign national from overseas you better get out while you still can - the Berlin Wall is going up. CBC is the state funded broadcaster, take everything they write with a grain of salt, like you would with RT for example.

ipaddr 5y ago
The government's actions I can understand. The courts decisions based on 'unprecedence' events is troublesome. It creates a low barrier for the removal of any rights. An event will happen like this again.
- roenxi 5y ago
  Not to mention, these events are precdented. This is a 1:40 to 1:100 year pandemic; depending on how much of it has to do with modern airlines.
  - Factorium 5y ago
    Try once a decade: https://swprs.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/sweden-monthly-deaths-1851.jpg https://swprs.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/sweden-monthly-...
- xiphias2 5y ago
  Removal of rights is one thing that is debatable. Not giving them back when the emergency has been gone and in developed countries everybody who wanted to get vaccinated got it is clearly an overstep.
  - tinus_hn 5y ago
    Haven’t you seen the new excuse? The emergency isn’t over until everybody has gotten the required booster shots, and they are required indefinitely.
  - rubyist5eva 5y ago
    When the government gives themselves power in an emergency, they most certainly are incentivized to keep finding new emergencies. Frankly, the checks and balances on our government have completely failed.
- rubyist5eva 5y ago
  Canadian citizens have freedom of movement in our constitution, it should not be contingent on getting an invasive medical procedure using a product from a foreign profit seeking pharmaceutical corporation.
  - mthoms 5y ago
    The vast majority of Canadians would disagree with the characterization of simply getting a shot in the arm as an "invasive medical procedure". Please, stop the over dramatization. It's embarrassing. Children, babies and pets get needles all the time. It's literally a fact of modern life. You know what isn't a fact of modern life? Polio.
    - helloworld11 5y ago
      And guess what the blindingly obvious difference is for those children and babies that get their different vaccines? That it's fucking voluntary. It's a decision made by their parents or guardians based on their own health and risk criteria, with no authoritarian travel restrictions based on ambiguous science and apparent corporate cronyism thrown in on top of the situation. This is very different from what's being enforced now in Canada (and a number of other countries) for the COVID vaccines. That the government is blatantly doing this "for your own good" is revolting but unsurprising. That so many people who used to be proud of their country being a relatively free place applauding it is simply grotesque. If the excessive hysteria comes from anywhere, it's from regulatory bodies, politicians and supportive members of the public who are using this pandemic as an excuse for measures that most people would have flatly rejected in other circumstances. 99.4% of the population recovers from Covid normally, young people are barely touched by it compared to the mortality rates for so many other things, and despite the really vulnerable segments of the population being largely protected at this point, and having easy access to said protection, now no matter your age above 12, you're essentially forced to comply with something that no government should have a business of imposing like this. Piss off.
      - mthoms 5y ago
        Nothing you just said changes the fact that no-one, not-ever, considers a needle an "invasive medical procedure". It's silly. Good rant though. Complete with childish swearing even!
switch007 5y ago
Hear hear. I knew someone would call out Canada's totalitarianism and get down-voted for it. The criticism in response to the article is not out of place. The article gushes about how wonderful a job the vaccine has done. Well, it hasn't done a wonderful job for freedom or rights has it?
- rubyist5eva 5y ago
  In my province in particular, mandatory vaccines were implemented in a small subset of regulated industries - but then the rest of the private sector moved in lockstep to require proof of vaccination for service and employment. For my demographic, the moderna vaccine is no longer recommended - we are told to get Pfizer instead even though the vaccines are basically the same (including the risks moderna is being advised against for). The Astra Zeneca vaccine was suspended because of blood clotting risks and Jansen is not available yet. I do not believe that your freedom and civil rights should be contingent on getting an invasive medical procedure using a product from a profit seeking corporation trying to sell as much of its product as possible. Especially one as corrupt as Pfizer. My doctor has advised me to wait on vaccination because I already had Covid. I trust my doctor more than I trust the government telling me what medical interventions to get, coercion or not. I also do not believe any random person should be allowed to coerce medical information from you that would typically fall under doctor patient confidentiality.
  - salamandersauce 5y ago
    There's nothing invasive about a vaccine. There's many definitions of invasive medical procedure but it has more to do with what level of cutting you open counts. Not a 30 second jab in the arm that leaves no permanent damage. You've probably had a dozen of these "invasive" procedures as a kid and completely forgotten about them. I don't believe you should have the freedom to spread around an infectious disease that has already crippled the health care system in many provinces and killed thousands of people. Your rights end where others begin. Your free to not give your vaccine status (vaccinated or unvaccinated) as well but you just have to live with the consequences of not attending restaurants and hockey games. It's people like you dragging this whole thing on.
mthoms 5y ago
>In one province, the government has given itself vast power to perform warrantless search, confiscate property and conscript any person to the cause of "managing the emergency" I've not heard of that. Which province?
- rubyist5eva 5y ago
  Saskatchewan. Recent developments are that they are pulling retired police officers out of retirement in order to enforce mandatory isolation at “secure isolation sites”. https://sun-nurses.sk.ca/pub/docs/member-resources/COVID19/MO%20sept%2013.pdf https://sun-nurses.sk.ca/pub/docs/member-resources/COVID19/M... https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatoon/saskatchewan-covid-19-1.6205235?__vfz=medium%3Dsharebar https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatoon/saskatchewan-covid-...
  - mthoms 5y ago
    That's blatant and shameless fear mongering. And your description of - > the government has given itself vast power to perform warrantless search, confiscate property and conscript any person Is entirely misleading if not outright false. The "emergency powers" are written to support fighting natural emergencies (primarily). Read the entire thing for context (warning:PDF) https://www.saskpublicsafety.ca/-/media/project/spsa/documents/reports/the-emergency-planning-act.pdf https://www.saskpublicsafety.ca/-/media/project/spsa/documen... Besides, this act does not supersede Charter Rights.
    - rubyist5eva 5y ago
      Yeah because it's one thing we all know is that power tripping police don't abuse their power and get off easy. They are all constitutional scholars that would never infringe on our rights and use force unjustifiably. Nobody is entering my property without a warrant.
      - mthoms 5y ago
        Nobody will. You're being ridiculous. Did you actually read the legislation? Do you understand under what conditions officials are allowed to enter your property?

ipaddr 5y ago

The government's actions I can understand. The courts decisions based on 'unprecedence' events is troublesome. It creates a low barrier for the removal of any rights. An event will happen like this again.

roenxi 5y ago
Not to mention, these events are precdented. This is a 1:40 to 1:100 year pandemic; depending on how much of it has to do with modern airlines.
- Factorium 5y ago
  Try once a decade: https://swprs.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/sweden-monthly-deaths-1851.jpg https://swprs.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/sweden-monthly-...
xiphias2 5y ago
Removal of rights is one thing that is debatable. Not giving them back when the emergency has been gone and in developed countries everybody who wanted to get vaccinated got it is clearly an overstep.
- tinus_hn 5y ago
  Haven’t you seen the new excuse? The emergency isn’t over until everybody has gotten the required booster shots, and they are required indefinitely.
- rubyist5eva 5y ago
  When the government gives themselves power in an emergency, they most certainly are incentivized to keep finding new emergencies. Frankly, the checks and balances on our government have completely failed.
rubyist5eva 5y ago
Canadian citizens have freedom of movement in our constitution, it should not be contingent on getting an invasive medical procedure using a product from a foreign profit seeking pharmaceutical corporation.
- mthoms 5y ago
  The vast majority of Canadians would disagree with the characterization of simply getting a shot in the arm as an "invasive medical procedure". Please, stop the over dramatization. It's embarrassing. Children, babies and pets get needles all the time. It's literally a fact of modern life. You know what isn't a fact of modern life? Polio.
  - helloworld11 5y ago
    And guess what the blindingly obvious difference is for those children and babies that get their different vaccines? That it's fucking voluntary. It's a decision made by their parents or guardians based on their own health and risk criteria, with no authoritarian travel restrictions based on ambiguous science and apparent corporate cronyism thrown in on top of the situation. This is very different from what's being enforced now in Canada (and a number of other countries) for the COVID vaccines. That the government is blatantly doing this "for your own good" is revolting but unsurprising. That so many people who used to be proud of their country being a relatively free place applauding it is simply grotesque. If the excessive hysteria comes from anywhere, it's from regulatory bodies, politicians and supportive members of the public who are using this pandemic as an excuse for measures that most people would have flatly rejected in other circumstances. 99.4% of the population recovers from Covid normally, young people are barely touched by it compared to the mortality rates for so many other things, and despite the really vulnerable segments of the population being largely protected at this point, and having easy access to said protection, now no matter your age above 12, you're essentially forced to comply with something that no government should have a business of imposing like this. Piss off.
    - mthoms 5y ago
      Nothing you just said changes the fact that no-one, not-ever, considers a needle an "invasive medical procedure". It's silly. Good rant though. Complete with childish swearing even!

switch007 5y ago

Hear hear. I knew someone would call out Canada's totalitarianism and get down-voted for it. The criticism in response to the article is not out of place. The article gushes about how wonderful a job the vaccine has done. Well, it hasn't done a wonderful job for freedom or rights has it?

rubyist5eva 5y ago
In my province in particular, mandatory vaccines were implemented in a small subset of regulated industries - but then the rest of the private sector moved in lockstep to require proof of vaccination for service and employment. For my demographic, the moderna vaccine is no longer recommended - we are told to get Pfizer instead even though the vaccines are basically the same (including the risks moderna is being advised against for). The Astra Zeneca vaccine was suspended because of blood clotting risks and Jansen is not available yet. I do not believe that your freedom and civil rights should be contingent on getting an invasive medical procedure using a product from a profit seeking corporation trying to sell as much of its product as possible. Especially one as corrupt as Pfizer. My doctor has advised me to wait on vaccination because I already had Covid. I trust my doctor more than I trust the government telling me what medical interventions to get, coercion or not. I also do not believe any random person should be allowed to coerce medical information from you that would typically fall under doctor patient confidentiality.
- salamandersauce 5y ago
  There's nothing invasive about a vaccine. There's many definitions of invasive medical procedure but it has more to do with what level of cutting you open counts. Not a 30 second jab in the arm that leaves no permanent damage. You've probably had a dozen of these "invasive" procedures as a kid and completely forgotten about them. I don't believe you should have the freedom to spread around an infectious disease that has already crippled the health care system in many provinces and killed thousands of people. Your rights end where others begin. Your free to not give your vaccine status (vaccinated or unvaccinated) as well but you just have to live with the consequences of not attending restaurants and hockey games. It's people like you dragging this whole thing on.

mthoms 5y ago

>In one province, the government has given itself vast power to perform warrantless search, confiscate property and conscript any person to the cause of "managing the emergency" I've not heard of that. Which province?

rubyist5eva 5y ago
Saskatchewan. Recent developments are that they are pulling retired police officers out of retirement in order to enforce mandatory isolation at “secure isolation sites”. https://sun-nurses.sk.ca/pub/docs/member-resources/COVID19/MO%20sept%2013.pdf https://sun-nurses.sk.ca/pub/docs/member-resources/COVID19/M... https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatoon/saskatchewan-covid-19-1.6205235?__vfz=medium%3Dsharebar https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatoon/saskatchewan-covid-...
- mthoms 5y ago
  That's blatant and shameless fear mongering. And your description of - > the government has given itself vast power to perform warrantless search, confiscate property and conscript any person Is entirely misleading if not outright false. The "emergency powers" are written to support fighting natural emergencies (primarily). Read the entire thing for context (warning:PDF) https://www.saskpublicsafety.ca/-/media/project/spsa/documents/reports/the-emergency-planning-act.pdf https://www.saskpublicsafety.ca/-/media/project/spsa/documen... Besides, this act does not supersede Charter Rights.
  - rubyist5eva 5y ago
    Yeah because it's one thing we all know is that power tripping police don't abuse their power and get off easy. They are all constitutional scholars that would never infringe on our rights and use force unjustifiably. Nobody is entering my property without a warrant.
    - mthoms 5y ago
      Nobody will. You're being ridiculous. Did you actually read the legislation? Do you understand under what conditions officials are allowed to enter your property?