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This goes back many years, long before "the need to tighten the belts": The first "user-enhancing" in-browser ads ("sponsored tiles") were introduced in 2014 h

This goes back many years, long before "the need to tighten the belts": The first "user-enhancing" in-browser ads ("sponsored tiles") were introduced in 2014 https://twitter.com/dherman76/status/433320156496789504 https://twitter.com/dherman76/status/433320156496789504 Pocket imposition was 2015 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1172126 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1172126 Mr Robot stunt was 2017 https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/mozilla-backpedals-after-mr-robot-firefox-misstep/ https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/mozilla-back... Cliqz tracking was 2017 https://www.zdnet.com/article/firefox-tests-cliqz-engine-which-slurps-user-browsing-data/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/firefox-tests-cliqz-engine-whi... booking.com ads was 2018 https://venturebeat.com/2018/12/31/mozilla-ad-on-firefoxs-new-tab-page-was-just-another-experiment/ https://venturebeat.com/2018/12/31/mozilla-ad-on-firefoxs-ne... It's easy to look at the actions of the last few years as if they are the exception, but this has been going on for a long time and Mozilla was given a slide for "reasons"

soundnote 5y ago
Pocket itself is a good thing, I think. As this post ( http://dpldocs.info/this-week-in-d/Blog.Posted_2021_09_06.html#adam%27s-rant http://dpldocs.info/this-week-in-d/Blog.Posted_2021_09_06.ht... ) explains, a browser pretty much needs an external footprint on the Internet and standalone revenue to have good odds of living. Pocket is a step in that direction, if only a small one, and it fits with an overall thing about making it nicer to use the Internet. That's a hard thing for a lot of Firefox's userbase to swallow, their dream being a pristine FOSS project essentially run as donationware. Nonfree things, monetization etc. just really don't sit well with that lot. I know, I was one of the people whining about Pocket when it was integrated into the browser and didn't see the point of it. Now? If Firefox is to live, more things like Pocket need to happen. Opt-out keylogging in a privacy browser isn't that, though.
cinquemb 5y ago
I consider all of this a consequence of the Post Eich regime at Mozilla…
- inter_netuser 5y ago
  Do you believe he'll continue his philosophy at Brave? So far so good, it seems.
  - cinquemb 5y ago
    Perhaps (seems like it, esp compared to the abomination that Mozilla has become: a shell of its former self, laundering its previous reputation it had earned for the garbage they try to gaslight it's useds with now [esp after hollowing out servo team]) though one of these days, upstream chromium will put them through a wringer they'll have to bend over backwards for and at that point, I hope they'll move to servo despite the difficulty with the, imo, superficial feature parity of chromium (but I doubt it, because most users of browsers hardly care about how the cake is made… [they just want their usual websites to "just work"] until they do…).
Tepix 5y ago
I consider the fact that Firefox hid the "block 3rd party cookies" setting deep in their preferences to be part of this. Acting against user interests in favor of their sugar daddy Google.
atatatat 5y ago
> Mozilla wasn't paid for the "Mr. Robot" tie-in, Kaykas-Wolff said. "We've enjoyed a growing partnership with the show and the show's audience," he said. TBB looks like Firefox, is that why? Kali makes appearances, too (albeit as an everyday desktop OS).
- gilrain 5y ago
  It was a cross-promotion agreement. That is payment, and it was extremely insulting that they thought users would believe they advertised a TV show in Firefox just for giggles.

soundnote 5y ago

Pocket itself is a good thing, I think. As this post ( http://dpldocs.info/this-week-in-d/Blog.Posted_2021_09_06.html#adam%27s-rant http://dpldocs.info/this-week-in-d/Blog.Posted_2021_09_06.ht... ) explains, a browser pretty much needs an external footprint on the Internet and standalone revenue to have good odds of living. Pocket is a step in that direction, if only a small one, and it fits with an overall thing about making it nicer to use the Internet. That's a hard thing for a lot of Firefox's userbase to swallow, their dream being a pristine FOSS project essentially run as donationware. Nonfree things, monetization etc. just really don't sit well with that lot. I know, I was one of the people whining about Pocket when it was integrated into the browser and didn't see the point of it. Now? If Firefox is to live, more things like Pocket need to happen. Opt-out keylogging in a privacy browser isn't that, though.

cinquemb 5y ago

I consider all of this a consequence of the Post Eich regime at Mozilla…

inter_netuser 5y ago
Do you believe he'll continue his philosophy at Brave? So far so good, it seems.
- cinquemb 5y ago
  Perhaps (seems like it, esp compared to the abomination that Mozilla has become: a shell of its former self, laundering its previous reputation it had earned for the garbage they try to gaslight it's useds with now [esp after hollowing out servo team]) though one of these days, upstream chromium will put them through a wringer they'll have to bend over backwards for and at that point, I hope they'll move to servo despite the difficulty with the, imo, superficial feature parity of chromium (but I doubt it, because most users of browsers hardly care about how the cake is made… [they just want their usual websites to "just work"] until they do…).

Tepix 5y ago

I consider the fact that Firefox hid the "block 3rd party cookies" setting deep in their preferences to be part of this. Acting against user interests in favor of their sugar daddy Google.

atatatat 5y ago

> Mozilla wasn't paid for the "Mr. Robot" tie-in, Kaykas-Wolff said. "We've enjoyed a growing partnership with the show and the show's audience," he said. TBB looks like Firefox, is that why? Kali makes appearances, too (albeit as an everyday desktop OS).

gilrain 5y ago
It was a cross-promotion agreement. That is payment, and it was extremely insulting that they thought users would believe they advertised a TV show in Firefox just for giggles.