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Well, for one, iirc Secp256r1 was pseudo random and can be seen glowing in broad daylight.
by 0des 5y ago
Well, for one, iirc Secp256r1 was pseudo random and can be seen glowing in broad daylight.
- snypher 5y agoFrom here[1], even the two a,b values seem suspicious: k curve a = 0 b = 7 r curve a = FFFFFFFF 00000001 00000000 00000000 00000000 FFFFFFFF FFFFFFFF FFFFFFFC b = 5AC635D8 AA3A93E7 B3EBBD55 769886BC 651D06B0 CC53B0F6 3BCE3C3E 27D2604B [1]https://www.johndcook.com/blog/2018/08/21/a-tale-of-two-elliptic-curves/ https://www.johndcook.com/blog/2018/08/21/a-tale-of-two-elli...
- themodelplumber 5y agoGlowing...is this metaphorical or some industry term?
- K0balt 5y ago“Glows” for something tampered with or “glowies”for agents of three letter agencies doing the tampering is an imageboard culture term first coined by Terry Davis (1969-2018), the iconic developer of TempleOS, who made the probably fantastical but apparently not metaphorical claim that he could distinguish CIA agents from regular people because CIA agents “glowed in the dark”. After it’s controversial debut on 4chan, Davis’s unsupported claim of selective unexplained human photoluminescence quickly became a meme in imageboard culture. Since imageboard culture is intersectional with software development culture, the terms have worked their way into defacto terminology among a subset of developers that work on things often thought of as adversarial at times to state interests, encrypted chat and cryptocurrency being among these. The term has bled out some and finds spotty support among other developers in tangential contact. The future of the term is uncertain, as it’s use remains largely isolated despite being canonical since 2017.
- 0des 5y agoSaying that something 'glows in the dark' implies interference, so unfortunately, within cryptography, it has become an industry term as well as metaphor. Other examples are the 'mystery padding' in keccak vs sha3.
- Jensson 5y agoI read the 3 replies and I still don't know what glowing means in cryptographic terms. I even tried to google it with cryptography added but nothing.
- ajb 5y agoIt means that the designer may have inserted an unpublished weakness. See also https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nothing-up-my-sleeve_number https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nothing-up-my-sleeve_number
- 0des 5y agoAs in the case of Keccak and SHA3, it doesn't necessarily have to be the designer, it can also be the reviewing committee.
- roxaaaane 5y agoIt's probably metaphorical, to mean distinguishable ?! And the term has never been used in crypto
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- smoldesu 5y agoIt's imageboard/IRC slang, you won't find any documentation on it because it's an intentionally obfuscated/dogwhistle phrase intended to only 'make sense' to other browsers who've stuck around long enough to get spoonfed.
- 0des 5y agoUsing the term 'dogwhistle' seems like a divisive way to discount what I said. Do you care to articulate yourself in a way that addresses the actual substance of what I said, or is this it?
- sva_ 5y agoIt's a reference to schizophrenic Terry Davis (rip), author of TempleOS, who said CIA agents would glow in the dark, and got popularized through the 4chan /g/ board. https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Glows%20in%20the%20dark https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Glows%20in%2...
- serf 5y agoweird intersection of the internet. Terry is/was an HN native, too. Upvoting all of his shadowbanned stuff that was half-way decent and lucid was a hobby of mine. It still makes me feel good to think about it. Godspeed Terry. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7818823 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7818823
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- jfoutz 5y agoI vouched for a few of his comments as well. I definitely think about how a quirk of biology or environment could flip the wrong switch in my brain. There are millions of sob stories. I don't do as much as I could, but I do more than nothing to help people out. That one, Terry Davis, keeps me up at night sometimes.
- 0des 5y agoHindsight is 20/20, all we can do is learn for next time.
- jcun4128 5y agoI watched some of his live streams, saw some cool things but man the things he would say
- 0des 5y agoIf we were not meant to distinguish creation from creator, we'd be in a world of trouble. Also, he was quite ill, I'm not sure we can fault him for some of his mannerisms while also admiring his ambition and skill.
- collegeburner 5y agoGlowie refers to a fed, it started with the templeos guy but is more general now. Glowing means its a fed op to weaken crypto, kinda like the dual ec fiasco.
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- Strilanc 5y agoThey're saying they don't trust that the constants defining the curve were chosen non-maliciously. The NSA has, in the past, standardized protocols that contained intentional backdoors embedded into the constants used in the definition [1]. Because of things like that, it's desirable for cryptographic protocols to use constants chosen in some way that makes backdooring intractable [2]. 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_EC_DRBG https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_EC_DRBG 2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nothing-up-my-sleeve_number https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nothing-up-my-sleeve_number
- jl2718 5y agoIt’s from this t-shirt: https://www.reddit.com/r/lastimages/comments/2obp6s/last_known_image_of_frank_zappa/ https://www.reddit.com/r/lastimages/comments/2obp6s/last_kno... Later the phrase was seen on a t-shirt in a candid photo of a very attractive Japanese woman posted to engrish.com, and went viral. Then 4chan picked it up. And now it’s here.
- matheusmoreira 5y ago4chan's technology board were, let's say, huge fans of Terry Davis, developer of TempleOS. One day during his livestream he said he could see the CIA operators while driving because they would glow in the dark. Now whenever someone is suspected of being an intelligence agency operator, people reply with pictures of a literal glowing person. Usually happens when someone spreads FUD about technology that's believed to be secure. It is assumed that these agencies are running psychological operations in online communites with the intent to dissuade the use of technology that could defeat them.
- sudosysgen 5y agoGlowing in the dark is something people say when they refer to people from intelligence services. The idea is they stick out when doing dark/stealthy stuff.
- fidesomnes 5y agotop reply of the year.