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I hope you reread this exchange when you are not in defensive mode, and see to what degree you made arguments against words you put in my mouth instead of what

I hope you reread this exchange when you are not in defensive mode, and see to what degree you made arguments against words you put in my mouth instead of what I actually said, not to mention falsely charging me of "tacitly" and "reprehensible"ly sliding in a made-up definition of white supremacy, which your own link points out is a widely accepted meaning[1]. At the very top I said my criticisms were of your take, not your skin color, nor even of your intent. I took pains to point out we are all subject to this problem, regardless of skin color. - [1] white supremacy 2. the social, economic, and political systems that collectively enable white people to maintain power over people of other races … [William] Kelley turned his considerable intellect and imagination to the question of what it is like to be white in this country, and what it is like, for all Americans, to live under the conditions of white supremacy … — Kathryn Schulz

lisper 5y ago
When I said, "You got that right" I was not just being snarky. I really do think you got it right, and that it doesn't make sense to continue this discussion. The reason I think this is not because I'm angry at you. I have productive exchanges with people that I'm angry with all the time. The reason I think that it doesn't make sense is because I think your thought processes are so deeply and fundamentally broken that it would take vastly more time and effort to fix them than I'm willing to put into this. Case in point: the very first sentence you wrote to me was: "This is such a patriarchal/capitalist/libertarian/white supremacist take." Either you intended this to be pejorative or you did not. If you did not, then you need some basic remedial training in the use of the English language and the subtleties of human communication, and if you did then it is disingenuous of you to get on your high horse and mainsplain to me why I should not be angry. Another example: yes, it is true that "white supremacy" has two definitions. But you did not use the phrase "white supremacy", you used the phrase "white supremacist", which has only one definition [1]: a person who believes that the white race is inherently superior to other races and that white people should have control over people of other races. Even if I give you the benefit of the doubt and infer a different meaning of "white supremacist" based on the second definition of "white supremacy" that merely renders your statement non-sensical (rather than mistaken and offensive). What could it possibly mean for a "take" to be "white supremacist" on the second definition? Yes, there are social, economic, and political systems that collectively enable white people to maintain power over people of other races. That is just a fact. That I acknowledge this fact does not mean that I'm happy about it or that I endorse it or that I don't think something should be done about it. You might as well have said "This is such a Newtonian/thermodynamic/Darwinian/round-earth take" for all that either statement could contribute to a constructive discussion. The quality of your argument is on par with flat-earthers and lunar-landing denialists. (Actually, yours is worse, because at least with the flat-earthers and LLDs I don't have to wonder what their thesis is.) One final word of advice: I have no idea what you are hoping to accomplish here, but I suggest you try to achieve clarity on that, because whatever your goal is I'm pretty sure you are not achieving it. --- [1] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/white%20supremacist https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/white%20supremaci...

lisper 5y ago

When I said, "You got that right" I was not just being snarky. I really do think you got it right, and that it doesn't make sense to continue this discussion. The reason I think this is not because I'm angry at you. I have productive exchanges with people that I'm angry with all the time. The reason I think that it doesn't make sense is because I think your thought processes are so deeply and fundamentally broken that it would take vastly more time and effort to fix them than I'm willing to put into this. Case in point: the very first sentence you wrote to me was: "This is such a patriarchal/capitalist/libertarian/white supremacist take." Either you intended this to be pejorative or you did not. If you did not, then you need some basic remedial training in the use of the English language and the subtleties of human communication, and if you did then it is disingenuous of you to get on your high horse and mainsplain to me why I should not be angry. Another example: yes, it is true that "white supremacy" has two definitions. But you did not use the phrase "white supremacy", you used the phrase "white supremacist", which has only one definition [1]: a person who believes that the white race is inherently superior to other races and that white people should have control over people of other races. Even if I give you the benefit of the doubt and infer a different meaning of "white supremacist" based on the second definition of "white supremacy" that merely renders your statement non-sensical (rather than mistaken and offensive). What could it possibly mean for a "take" to be "white supremacist" on the second definition? Yes, there are social, economic, and political systems that collectively enable white people to maintain power over people of other races. That is just a fact. That I acknowledge this fact does not mean that I'm happy about it or that I endorse it or that I don't think something should be done about it. You might as well have said "This is such a Newtonian/thermodynamic/Darwinian/round-earth take" for all that either statement could contribute to a constructive discussion. The quality of your argument is on par with flat-earthers and lunar-landing denialists. (Actually, yours is worse, because at least with the flat-earthers and LLDs I don't have to wonder what their thesis is.) One final word of advice: I have no idea what you are hoping to accomplish here, but I suggest you try to achieve clarity on that, because whatever your goal is I'm pretty sure you are not achieving it. --- [1] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/white%20supremacist https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/white%20supremaci...