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Victim implies it was outside of their control, and without forewarning, while knowing what you're engaging in ahead of time would negate that designation.

by 0des 5y ago

aaomidi 5y ago
This is no different from "you shouldn't have been wearing that if you didn't want to get sexually assaulted"
- ALittleLight 5y ago
  It's more like if you get into a boxing ring and complain about getting hit. If you knew what was going to happen and you chose to do it...
  - _8j50 5y ago
    Didn't realize it was ok for any employer to fight with their employee as a norm.. you're saying the boxing ring is apple right? And the shit treatment is what anyone should expect going in? Ok, well I don't see why you would think she knew, it sounds like she is alerting potential employees and any government labor regulators of the work conditions so they can avoid the boxing ring as you put it and have a referree make sure the boxing match was fair and legal.
    - ALittleLight 5y ago
      I think you're extending the metaphor a bit beyond what is useful. The original comment says "If Apple is known toxic and you still go to work there". Other comments then criticize this as victim blaming, but it's not. If you know a company is toxic and you choose to work there then you are not a victim, you are willingly exposing yourself to a toxic company the same way a boxer exposes himself to the blows of another boxer. My comment doesn't say it's okay for Apple to be toxic, fighting with employees is a norm, or that she did know. My comment is differentiating the hypothetical "If you know it is toxic and you work there you are not a victim" from the victim blaming "You shouldn't have been wearing that".
      - aaomidi 5y ago
        Have you considered that toxic workplaces shouldn't exist and should probably be shut down? What makes you think they're entitled to keep their business operating?
_8j50 5y ago
So if someone warns you that you could get raped walking down a road and you did get raped, you're not a victim? After all you could have taken a different road? Would your logic translate that way? I know rape is a hyperbole but it serves to make my point and make it easy for you to prove me wrong.

Victim implies it was outside of their control, and without forewarning, while knowing what you're engaging in ahead of time would negate that designation.

by 0des 5y ago

Victim implies it was outside of their control, and without forewarning, while knowing what you're engaging in ahead of time would negate that designation.

aaomidi 5y ago

This is no different from "you shouldn't have been wearing that if you didn't want to get sexually assaulted"

ALittleLight 5y ago
It's more like if you get into a boxing ring and complain about getting hit. If you knew what was going to happen and you chose to do it...
- _8j50 5y ago
  Didn't realize it was ok for any employer to fight with their employee as a norm.. you're saying the boxing ring is apple right? And the shit treatment is what anyone should expect going in? Ok, well I don't see why you would think she knew, it sounds like she is alerting potential employees and any government labor regulators of the work conditions so they can avoid the boxing ring as you put it and have a referree make sure the boxing match was fair and legal.
  - ALittleLight 5y ago
    I think you're extending the metaphor a bit beyond what is useful. The original comment says "If Apple is known toxic and you still go to work there". Other comments then criticize this as victim blaming, but it's not. If you know a company is toxic and you choose to work there then you are not a victim, you are willingly exposing yourself to a toxic company the same way a boxer exposes himself to the blows of another boxer. My comment doesn't say it's okay for Apple to be toxic, fighting with employees is a norm, or that she did know. My comment is differentiating the hypothetical "If you know it is toxic and you work there you are not a victim" from the victim blaming "You shouldn't have been wearing that".
    - aaomidi 5y ago
      Have you considered that toxic workplaces shouldn't exist and should probably be shut down? What makes you think they're entitled to keep their business operating?

_8j50 5y ago

So if someone warns you that you could get raped walking down a road and you did get raped, you're not a victim? After all you could have taken a different road? Would your logic translate that way? I know rape is a hyperbole but it serves to make my point and make it easy for you to prove me wrong.