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Gjøvik’s claims should be investigated. But regardless of their validity, this opportunity should be taken to discuss the work culture at Apple, which has long

Gjøvik’s claims should be investigated. But regardless of their validity, this opportunity should be taken to discuss the work culture at Apple, which has long escaped scrutiny unlike other corporate giants such as Amazon or Ballmer-era Microsoft.

blacktriangle 5y ago
Clearly crazy person throws out unsubstantiated complaints along with a bunch of complaining about non issues, and you think that's justification to put a company under scrutity? Ok commissar.
- noahtallen 5y ago
  > you think that's justification to put a company under scrutity The reality is that most companies probably should be under more scrutiny, especially the largest ones in the world. They have such massive amounts of power that society needs to make sure the power isn’t being used to harm society. IMO, this example isn’t why we should start putting Apple under scrutiny, but a reminder to continue doing so. It reminds us that bad things are happening at even the most respected companies — whether or not every report ends up being substantiated.
- 0des 5y ago
  I can't agree with "clearly crazy" but I can agree with the fact that the presence of complaints in an org that size should not garner some wider scrutiny until they become substantiated with timely and specific complaints that get reported to the correct authorities, not to gofundme and the court of public opinion. Most of us don't work at Apple, and as we've been invited to spectate this matter, we just have to keep reading until something inside us says "yeah this sounds about right". Too many things about Apple invite scrutiny on a legitimate basis, like lapses in privacy or their 'dont complain to the press, it never helps' policy for application developers. In this age of enhanced always on connectivity there are going to be a lot of complaints, some true and some misguided, and treating each vague criticism (I choose the word vague because an accusation that remains nonspecific inspires skepticism) with a full investigation is a drain on resources that could be otherwise devoted to the overt egregious transgressions currently in process, like the ones I mentioned before.
  - exBarrelSpoiler 5y ago
    As someone who has worked at Apple, I believe their work culture should be further scrutinized, at least to the same degree all major companies have had their internal cultures examined.
- comrh 5y ago
  Put every company under scrutiny, no justification needed.
  - blacktriangle 5y ago
    Advocating for increased corporate scrutiny across the board is totally orthogonal to advocating for increased scrutiny of a particular company based on the isolated rantings of this wombat.

blacktriangle 5y ago

Clearly crazy person throws out unsubstantiated complaints along with a bunch of complaining about non issues, and you think that's justification to put a company under scrutity? Ok commissar.

noahtallen 5y ago
> you think that's justification to put a company under scrutity The reality is that most companies probably should be under more scrutiny, especially the largest ones in the world. They have such massive amounts of power that society needs to make sure the power isn’t being used to harm society. IMO, this example isn’t why we should start putting Apple under scrutiny, but a reminder to continue doing so. It reminds us that bad things are happening at even the most respected companies — whether or not every report ends up being substantiated.
0des 5y ago
I can't agree with "clearly crazy" but I can agree with the fact that the presence of complaints in an org that size should not garner some wider scrutiny until they become substantiated with timely and specific complaints that get reported to the correct authorities, not to gofundme and the court of public opinion. Most of us don't work at Apple, and as we've been invited to spectate this matter, we just have to keep reading until something inside us says "yeah this sounds about right". Too many things about Apple invite scrutiny on a legitimate basis, like lapses in privacy or their 'dont complain to the press, it never helps' policy for application developers. In this age of enhanced always on connectivity there are going to be a lot of complaints, some true and some misguided, and treating each vague criticism (I choose the word vague because an accusation that remains nonspecific inspires skepticism) with a full investigation is a drain on resources that could be otherwise devoted to the overt egregious transgressions currently in process, like the ones I mentioned before.
- exBarrelSpoiler 5y ago
  As someone who has worked at Apple, I believe their work culture should be further scrutinized, at least to the same degree all major companies have had their internal cultures examined.
comrh 5y ago
Put every company under scrutiny, no justification needed.
- blacktriangle 5y ago
  Advocating for increased corporate scrutiny across the board is totally orthogonal to advocating for increased scrutiny of a particular company based on the isolated rantings of this wombat.