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If Apple is known toxic and you still go to work there, I don't know what to tell you.

by Yhippa 5y ago

_8j50 5y ago
Do you have a reason to believe they already knew it was toxic? (If you meant me, I don't work or worked for apple). If you read the thread, they had significant investment in apple making it hard for them to leave.
- azinman2 5y ago
  If you’re doing well at apple making good money, you can achieve the same elsewhere.
  - exBarrelSpoiler 5y ago
    It depends. Some of Apple’s internal systems are very specialized. People who have been there for a long time could grow dependent on its idiosyncratic systems and processes. This isn’t exclusive to engineering. Of course, the same could be said of other large corporations.
    - azinman2 5y ago
      Everything I can find suggests she was a product manager. Not an engineer. These skills translate to other companies. Further I’d suggest if you’re an engineer where only one company in the world can employ you, and you’re not getting fuck you money from it, you’ve done it wrong.
rrsmtz 5y ago
Do you think we have a responsibility towards people who aren't in the know, or who might have circumstances that make it hard to leave (for example, immigration processing)?
aaomidi 5y ago
Victim blaming at its finest
- 0des 5y ago
  Victim implies it was outside of their control, and without forewarning, while knowing what you're engaging in ahead of time would negate that designation.
  - aaomidi 5y ago
    This is no different from "you shouldn't have been wearing that if you didn't want to get sexually assaulted"
    - ALittleLight 5y ago
      It's more like if you get into a boxing ring and complain about getting hit. If you knew what was going to happen and you chose to do it...
      - _8j50 5y ago
        Didn't realize it was ok for any employer to fight with their employee as a norm.. you're saying the boxing ring is apple right? And the shit treatment is what anyone should expect going in? Ok, well I don't see why you would think she knew, it sounds like she is alerting potential employees and any government labor regulators of the work conditions so they can avoid the boxing ring as you put it and have a referree make sure the boxing match was fair and legal.
        ALittleLight 5y ago
        I think you're extending the metaphor a bit beyond what is useful. The original comment says "If Apple is known toxic and you still go to work there". Other comments then criticize this as victim blaming, but it's not. If you know a company is toxic and you choose to work there then you are not a victim, you are willingly exposing yourself to a toxic company the same way a boxer exposes himself to the blows of another boxer. My comment doesn't say it's okay for Apple to be toxic, fighting with employees is a norm, or that she did know. My comment is differentiating the hypothetical "If you know it is toxic and you work there you are not a victim" from the victim blaming "You shouldn't have been wearing that".

If Apple is known toxic and you still go to work there, I don't know what to tell you.

by Yhippa 5y ago

If Apple is known toxic and you still go to work there, I don't know what to tell you.

Do you have a reason to believe they already knew it was toxic? (If you meant me, I don't work or worked for apple). If you read the thread, they had significant investment in apple making it hard for them to leave.

azinman2 5y ago
If you’re doing well at apple making good money, you can achieve the same elsewhere.
- exBarrelSpoiler 5y ago
  It depends. Some of Apple’s internal systems are very specialized. People who have been there for a long time could grow dependent on its idiosyncratic systems and processes. This isn’t exclusive to engineering. Of course, the same could be said of other large corporations.
  - azinman2 5y ago
    Everything I can find suggests she was a product manager. Not an engineer. These skills translate to other companies. Further I’d suggest if you’re an engineer where only one company in the world can employ you, and you’re not getting fuck you money from it, you’ve done it wrong.

rrsmtz 5y ago

Do you think we have a responsibility towards people who aren't in the know, or who might have circumstances that make it hard to leave (for example, immigration processing)?

aaomidi 5y ago

Victim blaming at its finest

0des 5y ago
Victim implies it was outside of their control, and without forewarning, while knowing what you're engaging in ahead of time would negate that designation.
- aaomidi 5y ago
  This is no different from "you shouldn't have been wearing that if you didn't want to get sexually assaulted"
  - ALittleLight 5y ago
    It's more like if you get into a boxing ring and complain about getting hit. If you knew what was going to happen and you chose to do it...
    - _8j50 5y ago
      Didn't realize it was ok for any employer to fight with their employee as a norm.. you're saying the boxing ring is apple right? And the shit treatment is what anyone should expect going in? Ok, well I don't see why you would think she knew, it sounds like she is alerting potential employees and any government labor regulators of the work conditions so they can avoid the boxing ring as you put it and have a referree make sure the boxing match was fair and legal.
      - ALittleLight 5y ago
        I think you're extending the metaphor a bit beyond what is useful. The original comment says "If Apple is known toxic and you still go to work there". Other comments then criticize this as victim blaming, but it's not. If you know a company is toxic and you choose to work there then you are not a victim, you are willingly exposing yourself to a toxic company the same way a boxer exposes himself to the blows of another boxer. My comment doesn't say it's okay for Apple to be toxic, fighting with employees is a norm, or that she did know. My comment is differentiating the hypothetical "If you know it is toxic and you work there you are not a victim" from the victim blaming "You shouldn't have been wearing that".