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The very first "scandal" she uncovered at Apple was her getting feedback on a presentation from another employee. She called it sexism and publicly shared priva

by Max-20 5y ago

The very first "scandal" she uncovered at Apple was her getting feedback on a presentation from another employee. She called it sexism and publicly shared private messages which basically proofed it was just that, professional feedback. It looks a lot like this is a mental health issue rather than actual wrongdoings at Apple. What she is doing now might really harm her ability to ever get hired again by a company in SV.

aaomidi 5y ago
What is she doing that's going to hurt her? And no, a lot of people didn't see that as professional feedback.
- azinman2 5y ago
  A) they’re looking for a problem where none may exist B) they have no context on working with her, listening to her presentations, and her previous dialogues with her manager Her entire MO starting with her apartment housing “scandal” is to be a resilient victim fighting the oppressors. As you dig in you can quickly see she’s a nutcase who wants issues and a blind detached twitter army backing her to validate her despite none of these people actually having any real context to what’s going on.
  - aaomidi 5y ago
    Do you have any real context on what's going on? If not then how do you claim with such high certainty that she's a "nutcase"?
    - azinman2 5y ago
      Because I’ve read a ton of her material, and I work for Apple so I have some idea of what it’s like internally (although it’s a big company and many experiences are different). I also don’t have that context of working with her so I can look at that text message thread and easily imagine the problem is her affect and not some gender issue. She’s trying to provide absolute proof, but it’s very one sided and inconclusive by itself. Which just goes to show how she twists everything going on to be a great plot of the world against her. I’ve known people like this, and they’re disasters. Look at this thread and her twitter bio. She’s trying to wear victimhood on her sleeve as a primary identity. Why post this random thread rehashing everything you’ve already posted a million times and all the press you’ve tried to put out? She WANTS to be a giant victim. Remember we’re talking about being fired; no one physically abused her, no one poisoned her, etc. Yet you’d have to assume as much given she doesn’t want to move on with her life. If you read the commments she gets on twitter it’s clear she’s getting what she wants from them (encouragement and sympathy), but ultimately she’s shooting herself in the foot. Who would ever want to hire her again, or provide her housing (after her whole anti-apartment rant toxicity rant)?
      - aaomidi 5y ago
        How about she's making it her identity because she feels unheard and that the US justice system is so toothless that they've not done basic investigations after hundreds of complaints have come in? America doesn't give a shit about corporate culture even when they're toxic and actually illegal. She has a full right to keep talking about it and keep bringing attention to it. Your defense, even though you're just a basic employee, is pathetic and tone deaf. As a random employee you have absolutely zero idea of what's happening at the scale of a company like apple. Claiming otherwise is disengenous. There needs to be a federal investigation of these claims at apple, and if found that she was lying then we could make claims like this.
        azinman2 5y ago
        I’m sure she’d be very happy to know that she can very extremely loud on Twitter and blogs and get people like yourself calling for federal investigation into her claims. I also said nothing about my role; your attempts to discredit me are against HN guidelines, are assumptions on your behalf, irrelevant to the discussion, and are quite rude.
        0des 5y ago
        > Your defense, even though you're just a basic employee, is pathetic and tone deaf Was this necessary? Because it would affect my perception of your comment, I must ask, do you work at Apple, and are you the person, or closely related to the person this is about?
        aaomidi 5y ago
        It was. You working at apple doesn't actually give you insight to what actually takes place at the multiple layers of internal abstractions. Remember the loaded language of "nut case" and insinuating mental health problems is not OK.
        deleted 5y ago
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- whoknowswhat11 5y ago
  Is this really the current situation, that counts as unprofessional feedback, sexual harassment and a scandal? Your boss doesn't always have to give you perfect feedback I don't think, just like you might not always show up to work on your A game. It's just interesting to watch this evolution in SV and facinating to hear that this is such a terrible piece of feedback. Many / most professions have feedback that is far more direct and blunt.
capableweb 5y ago
> What she is doing now might really harm her ability to ever get hired again by a company in SV. If what Apple is doing is representative of how companies deal with things in SV, then good riddance. There are plenty of companies not in SV that don't intimidate employees.
- 0des 5y ago
  The person claiming to be Ashley is posting in this thread, and their past posts have evidence of them sockpuppeting another post about this issue months ago, except its about their apartment being built on toxic waste, while this one is about their office being built on toxic waste. Which is it?
  - micropsia 5y ago
    Both. Read my damn story, you corporate troll. https://www.ashleygjovik.com/ashleys-apple-story.html https://www.ashleygjovik.com/ashleys-apple-story.html
    - 0des 5y ago
      Why do your past posts about your other toxic waste issue use the word "she" when referring to yourself? Why do you feel the need to do this? Facts stand by themselves, and this behavior only detracts from any actual credibility you might have had. Edit: If someone is up for some sleuthing, I wonder how many arguments come from users in common with this thread - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26688965 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26688965

by Max-20 5y ago

aaomidi 5y ago

What is she doing that's going to hurt her? And no, a lot of people didn't see that as professional feedback.

azinman2 5y ago
A) they’re looking for a problem where none may exist B) they have no context on working with her, listening to her presentations, and her previous dialogues with her manager Her entire MO starting with her apartment housing “scandal” is to be a resilient victim fighting the oppressors. As you dig in you can quickly see she’s a nutcase who wants issues and a blind detached twitter army backing her to validate her despite none of these people actually having any real context to what’s going on.
- aaomidi 5y ago
  Do you have any real context on what's going on? If not then how do you claim with such high certainty that she's a "nutcase"?
  - azinman2 5y ago
    Because I’ve read a ton of her material, and I work for Apple so I have some idea of what it’s like internally (although it’s a big company and many experiences are different). I also don’t have that context of working with her so I can look at that text message thread and easily imagine the problem is her affect and not some gender issue. She’s trying to provide absolute proof, but it’s very one sided and inconclusive by itself. Which just goes to show how she twists everything going on to be a great plot of the world against her. I’ve known people like this, and they’re disasters. Look at this thread and her twitter bio. She’s trying to wear victimhood on her sleeve as a primary identity. Why post this random thread rehashing everything you’ve already posted a million times and all the press you’ve tried to put out? She WANTS to be a giant victim. Remember we’re talking about being fired; no one physically abused her, no one poisoned her, etc. Yet you’d have to assume as much given she doesn’t want to move on with her life. If you read the commments she gets on twitter it’s clear she’s getting what she wants from them (encouragement and sympathy), but ultimately she’s shooting herself in the foot. Who would ever want to hire her again, or provide her housing (after her whole anti-apartment rant toxicity rant)?
    - aaomidi 5y ago
      How about she's making it her identity because she feels unheard and that the US justice system is so toothless that they've not done basic investigations after hundreds of complaints have come in? America doesn't give a shit about corporate culture even when they're toxic and actually illegal. She has a full right to keep talking about it and keep bringing attention to it. Your defense, even though you're just a basic employee, is pathetic and tone deaf. As a random employee you have absolutely zero idea of what's happening at the scale of a company like apple. Claiming otherwise is disengenous. There needs to be a federal investigation of these claims at apple, and if found that she was lying then we could make claims like this.
      - azinman2 5y ago
        I’m sure she’d be very happy to know that she can very extremely loud on Twitter and blogs and get people like yourself calling for federal investigation into her claims. I also said nothing about my role; your attempts to discredit me are against HN guidelines, are assumptions on your behalf, irrelevant to the discussion, and are quite rude.
      - 0des 5y ago
        > Your defense, even though you're just a basic employee, is pathetic and tone deaf Was this necessary? Because it would affect my perception of your comment, I must ask, do you work at Apple, and are you the person, or closely related to the person this is about?
        aaomidi 5y ago
        It was. You working at apple doesn't actually give you insight to what actually takes place at the multiple layers of internal abstractions. Remember the loaded language of "nut case" and insinuating mental health problems is not OK.
        deleted 5y ago
        [deleted]
whoknowswhat11 5y ago
Is this really the current situation, that counts as unprofessional feedback, sexual harassment and a scandal? Your boss doesn't always have to give you perfect feedback I don't think, just like you might not always show up to work on your A game. It's just interesting to watch this evolution in SV and facinating to hear that this is such a terrible piece of feedback. Many / most professions have feedback that is far more direct and blunt.

capableweb 5y ago

> What she is doing now might really harm her ability to ever get hired again by a company in SV. If what Apple is doing is representative of how companies deal with things in SV, then good riddance. There are plenty of companies not in SV that don't intimidate employees.

0des 5y ago
The person claiming to be Ashley is posting in this thread, and their past posts have evidence of them sockpuppeting another post about this issue months ago, except its about their apartment being built on toxic waste, while this one is about their office being built on toxic waste. Which is it?
- micropsia 5y ago
  Both. Read my damn story, you corporate troll. https://www.ashleygjovik.com/ashleys-apple-story.html https://www.ashleygjovik.com/ashleys-apple-story.html
  - 0des 5y ago
    Why do your past posts about your other toxic waste issue use the word "she" when referring to yourself? Why do you feel the need to do this? Facts stand by themselves, and this behavior only detracts from any actual credibility you might have had. Edit: If someone is up for some sleuthing, I wonder how many arguments come from users in common with this thread - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26688965 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26688965