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Reading this tweet thread, the authors website, and then their gofundme has me curious how much is being left out. I'm empathetic for someone losing their job,

by 0des 5y ago

Reading this tweet thread, the authors website, and then their gofundme has me curious how much is being left out. I'm empathetic for someone losing their job, especially over voicing a health concern, but after reading everything available, something doesn't feel right. This excerpt from their GoFundMe makes it seem like this is the person who's unhappy and silent on every team theyre on, and only decides to "get one back" when they finally get let go after the employer has exhausted all attempts at finding a team they can be productive on. > I worked at Apple for six years. I experienced misconduct and abuse on every team I was on, but I pushed through it. I knew if I spoke up about it, my career in tech would be over. Regardless, I empathize with this person losing their job, and hope they can find a career where they can be happy and productive.

_8j50 5y ago
You are making unsubstantiated claims about the person. If the reasons apple used such ad disclosing confidential info is correct then at that should be easily provable. Have you seen any evidence of apple claiming the person is difficult to work with or are you attacking them based on instinct? This isn't exactly the first person who has made similar claims about working at apple [1] , I only hear similar stories about apple in the tech industry. The apartment breakin and other criminal techniques, I can assure you apple isn't the only one, this kind of a thing happens (i know first hand!). Unfortunately, this person is better of finding a job elsewhere and trying to live their lives. Not a fight they can win. [1] https://www.teamblind.com/post/Apple-Toxic-Work-Environment-GOqhnAhY https://www.teamblind.com/post/Apple-Toxic-Work-Environment-...
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- fsckboy 5y ago
  > You are making unsubstantiated claims about the person his sentence was clearly speculation, and not a "claim". The people here suggesting mental health issue are on much thinner ice
  - _8j50 5y ago
    I saw it as a claim about a person's character and intent based on speculation.
SteveGerencser 5y ago
I had a friend who was fired from, or quit, every job he had for nearly a decade. He response was always the same, "the boss is a moron" or "the people there are idiots". We had a long conversation where I laid it out for him. The odds that after 10 years everyone he worked with was an idiot or a moron were pretty slim and the only thing every single one of the those people had in common was him. Fortunately he took me seriously and had a lot of growth in a short period of time. He's been at his last job for 15 years and moved to the head of his department and gets a bit of a laugh now when he hears that people working for him think he's a moron.
- 0des 5y ago
  You're a good friend for respectfully helping someone detect counterproductive ideologies. Fortunately your friend is receptive to logic, I'm glad it is going better for them. Thanks for relaying this story, it made me feel good! Have a good weekend :)
- azinman2 5y ago
  I’d love to know how you achieved that. I’ve had friends like that and they don’t want to hear it, or refuse to acknowledge their own issues. Only after many many years and many issues has one admitted perhaps he’s not a good fit for corporate culture (still not fully acknowledging his role there).
  - SteveGerencser 5y ago
    He and I have had a very close relationship for a very long time. That had a lot to do with him taking me seriously and me willing to spend the time needed to talk with him. While I call it a conversation, it was a lot of conversations over several months. And after many of them he wouldn't talk to me for a few weeks. It really was a process. Without the underlying relationship I suspect one or the other of us would have simply walked away from the other. But that is a hard thing to explain in a short HN post.
    - azinman2 5y ago

by 0des 5y ago

_8j50 5y ago

You are making unsubstantiated claims about the person. If the reasons apple used such ad disclosing confidential info is correct then at that should be easily provable. Have you seen any evidence of apple claiming the person is difficult to work with or are you attacking them based on instinct? This isn't exactly the first person who has made similar claims about working at apple [1] , I only hear similar stories about apple in the tech industry. The apartment breakin and other criminal techniques, I can assure you apple isn't the only one, this kind of a thing happens (i know first hand!). Unfortunately, this person is better of finding a job elsewhere and trying to live their lives. Not a fight they can win. [1] https://www.teamblind.com/post/Apple-Toxic-Work-Environment-GOqhnAhY https://www.teamblind.com/post/Apple-Toxic-Work-Environment-...

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fsckboy 5y ago
> You are making unsubstantiated claims about the person his sentence was clearly speculation, and not a "claim". The people here suggesting mental health issue are on much thinner ice
- _8j50 5y ago
  I saw it as a claim about a person's character and intent based on speculation.

SteveGerencser 5y ago

I had a friend who was fired from, or quit, every job he had for nearly a decade. He response was always the same, "the boss is a moron" or "the people there are idiots". We had a long conversation where I laid it out for him. The odds that after 10 years everyone he worked with was an idiot or a moron were pretty slim and the only thing every single one of the those people had in common was him. Fortunately he took me seriously and had a lot of growth in a short period of time. He's been at his last job for 15 years and moved to the head of his department and gets a bit of a laugh now when he hears that people working for him think he's a moron.

0des 5y ago
You're a good friend for respectfully helping someone detect counterproductive ideologies. Fortunately your friend is receptive to logic, I'm glad it is going better for them. Thanks for relaying this story, it made me feel good! Have a good weekend :)
azinman2 5y ago
I’d love to know how you achieved that. I’ve had friends like that and they don’t want to hear it, or refuse to acknowledge their own issues. Only after many many years and many issues has one admitted perhaps he’s not a good fit for corporate culture (still not fully acknowledging his role there).
- SteveGerencser 5y ago
  He and I have had a very close relationship for a very long time. That had a lot to do with him taking me seriously and me willing to spend the time needed to talk with him. While I call it a conversation, it was a lot of conversations over several months. And after many of them he wouldn't talk to me for a few weeks. It really was a process. Without the underlying relationship I suspect one or the other of us would have simply walked away from the other. But that is a hard thing to explain in a short HN post.
  - azinman2 5y ago