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NYT Rectracts Number of Children Hospitalized by Covid-19 (From 900K to 63K)

51 points by Red_Tarsius 5y ago

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iammisc 5y ago
Too late. Policy has been made and polls gauging the publics perceptions of said policies have already been taken. Now the pundits can use the fake polls from the retracted news items to justify ever more increasing regulation of daily life.
- bastawhiz 5y ago
  Even with the new numbers, covid has hospitalized and killed more children (in the US) in just about one year than polio was doing before WW2. The old numbers aside, there's plenty of reason for concern at the new numbers.
  - xkbarkar 5y ago
    Please provide a source. There is absolutely no truth to what you are stating. Id like to see where you got that nonsense information from.
    - milliondollar 5y ago
      Agree. In US, 500 kids have died. That's in over a year, and in a time period which didn't include vaccine. Every year 800 kids die from drowning. About 200 kids die from the flue. Driving kills 4000. Suffocation 1500. The risk to kids is very very small (especially considering vaccine can probably prevent almost all the above deaths), and certainly less than many other risks we tolerate.
      - nojokes 5y ago
        It is more than from flu and there are most hospitalizations than from flu. Besides flu could not spread with current restrictions, covid can.
      - nullc 5y ago
        And these figures are all _with_ not _of_. A subset of the persons who have died with covid died of it, for young people it's likely that its a fairly small subset. (See also: https://www.skyhinews.com/news/coroner-state-included-a-murder-suicide-in-grands-covid-deaths/ https://www.skyhinews.com/news/coroner-state-included-a-murd... on official figures including anyone who died within 30 days of a positive covid test, even when their deaths were from auto-accidents, homicide, or suicide)
      - nojokes 5y ago
        It is huge amount to die from a illness and it is so limited mostly because of restrictions. There were just few deaths from flu in the same period. US just has stupid amount of violent deaths, either homicide or car accidents. 3 times more for vehicle accidents and 10 or times more for homicide than in other countries. For example car accidents from million in 2019 Below 15 US: 21 Germany: 7 15-24: US: 139 Germany: 49 This is only counting mortality but there are also hospitalizations and prolonged illness. Fortunately it is very huge but it is not small either.
  - MatteoFrigo 5y ago
    The CDC disagrees with you. Go to https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm#dashboard https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm... and click on "Weekly Number of Deaths by Age". There is no observable difference in the 0-25 age group between 2020, 2021, and the previous years. The equivalent data for Europe are at https://euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps https://euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps, which I find easier to use. You will see that the excess mortality in the 0-14 age group is actually negative in 2020 and marginally positive in 2021 so far (went down a bit earlier in the year and now is back up a bit).
- gizmo686 5y ago
  The error was made Wendsday and corrected Thursday. The wrong number is suspiciously close to total hospitalizations.
  - iammisc 5y ago
    It doesn't matter. People don't read the old new York times. They read the current day and share that information with friends.
panda88888 5y ago
I confirmed via CDC website that total hospitalization for ages 0-17 in the US is indeed 63k from Aug 2020 to present (https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#new-hospital-admissions https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#new-hospital-admis...). It is difficult for me to not feel that there was intent to mislead with the 900k number, especially from a NYT reporter who should know better to check the sources and verify the numbers. The data isn’t hidden away or needed any tallying—-it is literally there on CDC’s website. It is incidents like this that erodes public’s trust in mainstream media and paints them as having “agendas”. I truly hope the NYT takes this seriously and do a better job at checking the numbers. Note: I haven’t checked, but I wonder if the 900k number is for global children hospitalizations. Although IMO that number would be difficult to get accurately.
kaminar 5y ago
Always lying to achieve agenda...Machiavelli would be proud Openvaers.com

51 points by Red_Tarsius 5y ago

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Too late. Policy has been made and polls gauging the publics perceptions of said policies have already been taken. Now the pundits can use the fake polls from the retracted news items to justify ever more increasing regulation of daily life.

bastawhiz 5y ago
Even with the new numbers, covid has hospitalized and killed more children (in the US) in just about one year than polio was doing before WW2. The old numbers aside, there's plenty of reason for concern at the new numbers.
- xkbarkar 5y ago
  Please provide a source. There is absolutely no truth to what you are stating. Id like to see where you got that nonsense information from.
  - milliondollar 5y ago
    Agree. In US, 500 kids have died. That's in over a year, and in a time period which didn't include vaccine. Every year 800 kids die from drowning. About 200 kids die from the flue. Driving kills 4000. Suffocation 1500. The risk to kids is very very small (especially considering vaccine can probably prevent almost all the above deaths), and certainly less than many other risks we tolerate.
    - nojokes 5y ago
      It is more than from flu and there are most hospitalizations than from flu. Besides flu could not spread with current restrictions, covid can.
    - nullc 5y ago
      And these figures are all _with_ not _of_. A subset of the persons who have died with covid died of it, for young people it's likely that its a fairly small subset. (See also: https://www.skyhinews.com/news/coroner-state-included-a-murder-suicide-in-grands-covid-deaths/ https://www.skyhinews.com/news/coroner-state-included-a-murd... on official figures including anyone who died within 30 days of a positive covid test, even when their deaths were from auto-accidents, homicide, or suicide)
    - nojokes 5y ago
      It is huge amount to die from a illness and it is so limited mostly because of restrictions. There were just few deaths from flu in the same period. US just has stupid amount of violent deaths, either homicide or car accidents. 3 times more for vehicle accidents and 10 or times more for homicide than in other countries. For example car accidents from million in 2019 Below 15 US: 21 Germany: 7 15-24: US: 139 Germany: 49 This is only counting mortality but there are also hospitalizations and prolonged illness. Fortunately it is very huge but it is not small either.
- MatteoFrigo 5y ago
  The CDC disagrees with you. Go to https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm#dashboard https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm... and click on "Weekly Number of Deaths by Age". There is no observable difference in the 0-25 age group between 2020, 2021, and the previous years. The equivalent data for Europe are at https://euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps https://euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps, which I find easier to use. You will see that the excess mortality in the 0-14 age group is actually negative in 2020 and marginally positive in 2021 so far (went down a bit earlier in the year and now is back up a bit).
gizmo686 5y ago
The error was made Wendsday and corrected Thursday. The wrong number is suspiciously close to total hospitalizations.
- iammisc 5y ago
  It doesn't matter. People don't read the old new York times. They read the current day and share that information with friends.

panda88888 5y ago

I confirmed via CDC website that total hospitalization for ages 0-17 in the US is indeed 63k from Aug 2020 to present (https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#new-hospital-admissions https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#new-hospital-admis...). It is difficult for me to not feel that there was intent to mislead with the 900k number, especially from a NYT reporter who should know better to check the sources and verify the numbers. The data isn’t hidden away or needed any tallying—-it is literally there on CDC’s website. It is incidents like this that erodes public’s trust in mainstream media and paints them as having “agendas”. I truly hope the NYT takes this seriously and do a better job at checking the numbers. Note: I haven’t checked, but I wonder if the 900k number is for global children hospitalizations. Although IMO that number would be difficult to get accurately.

kaminar 5y ago

Always lying to achieve agenda...Machiavelli would be proud Openvaers.com