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The “anti-soy-boy” crowd is going to have a field day with this one…

goldenkey 5y ago
Eh, I drink liters of soymilk daily. Most common brands of Soymilk are junk though, ie. Silk. Other brands like Westsoy and 365 sell real soymilk without being watered down, sweetened, and fillered. If anything, the soyboy superstition probably comes from just drinking sugary beverages and meals that lack sufficient fats and proteins for muscle building. Lack of cholesterol could also be an issue if one's genetics are of a low-production type. Soy itself is somewhat of a super legume. The only legume that comes close is peanuts. And it's not very common to find peanut milk. Elmhurst used to sell it, it was amazing. I have no problem building muscle [1] and my last free T test was around 850. Anecdotally, I doubt soymilk is the issue. [1] https://i.imgur.com/K6kEeUD.jpg https://i.imgur.com/K6kEeUD.jpg
- symlinkk 5y ago
  No, it comes from studies that claim that soy raises estrogen levels in the body.
  - goldenkey 5y ago
    Never start a post off with "No," if you don't know much about what you are professing. Phytoestrogens aren't estrogen. In fact, some actually act as estrogen antagonists (opposite effect.) They don't affect human biology the same way that they affect plants or grazing animals. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phytoestrogen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phytoestrogen
    - im3w1l 5y ago
      He's right about where it comes from. Whether the claims check out is a separate question.
- float4 5y ago
  > Most common brands of Soymilk are junk though, ie. Silk. Westsoy and 365 sell real soymilk without being watered down, sweetened, and fillered What do you mean by watered down? All soy milks have water listed as the first ingredient.
  - goldenkey 5y ago
    Look at the protein amount. It can tell you a lot. For example, most almond milks on the market are basically pure water, Blue Diamond [1] has 1g of protein per cup. Compare that with Elmhurst [2], 5g protein per cup. We are talking about 1/5 the dilution! [1] https://www.bluediamond.com/brand/almond-breeze/almondmilk/unsweetened-vanilla https://www.bluediamond.com/brand/almond-breeze/almondmilk/u... [2] https://elmhurst1925.com/products/unsweetened-milked-almonds https://elmhurst1925.com/products/unsweetened-milked-almonds What grinds my gears is that consumers get the idea that they are drinking a healthy beverage with a lot of these plant milks when if they aren't drinking the unsweetened versions, they are basically drinking sugar water! And the unsweetened versions aren't stellar either but at least if you are drinking a bunch of overpriced water, your body won't be getting full off of it, since it's devoid of calories. Elmhurst and Westsoy are expensive but you cannot beat their potency and quality. 365 is a decent brand at a good price for unsweetened soy milk. However its almond milk is just like all the other mass market brands, almost purely water. I think all these brands just fall in line since the taste expectations for plant milks are expectations for water.. :-/ Plus it's cheaper to peddle water than to peddle nuts. Elmhurst has a backbone of integrity and Westsoy does too. But until a few years ago I didn't even know about them. That's capitalism for ya.
    - silverpepsi 5y ago
      "capitalism for ya" I'm reading this as: capitalism means willfully selling people whatever they want to buy, even if they didn't do their homework and buy based on brand name or taste rather than value (nutritional content). But how does that contrast to consumer behavior in other systems like communism and dictatorships? Or....... I mean, to me ignorance is a first order "issue" independent of economic systems. If anything, the often lamented state of education today represents the pinnacle of achievement in human history in terms of the portion of the population that is literate and can effortlessly access info with their literacy and google skills. If they wanted.

Eh, I drink liters of soymilk daily. Most common brands of Soymilk are junk though, ie. Silk. Other brands like Westsoy and 365 sell real soymilk without being watered down, sweetened, and fillered. If anything, the soyboy superstition probably comes from just drinking sugary beverages and meals that lack sufficient fats and proteins for muscle building. Lack of cholesterol could also be an issue if one's genetics are of a low-production type. Soy itself is somewhat of a super legume. The only legume that comes close is peanuts. And it's not very common to find peanut milk. Elmhurst used to sell it, it was amazing. I have no problem building muscle [1] and my last free T test was around 850. Anecdotally, I doubt soymilk is the issue. [1] https://i.imgur.com/K6kEeUD.jpg https://i.imgur.com/K6kEeUD.jpg

symlinkk 5y ago
No, it comes from studies that claim that soy raises estrogen levels in the body.
- goldenkey 5y ago
  Never start a post off with "No," if you don't know much about what you are professing. Phytoestrogens aren't estrogen. In fact, some actually act as estrogen antagonists (opposite effect.) They don't affect human biology the same way that they affect plants or grazing animals. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phytoestrogen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phytoestrogen
  - im3w1l 5y ago
    He's right about where it comes from. Whether the claims check out is a separate question.
float4 5y ago
> Most common brands of Soymilk are junk though, ie. Silk. Westsoy and 365 sell real soymilk without being watered down, sweetened, and fillered What do you mean by watered down? All soy milks have water listed as the first ingredient.
- goldenkey 5y ago
  Look at the protein amount. It can tell you a lot. For example, most almond milks on the market are basically pure water, Blue Diamond [1] has 1g of protein per cup. Compare that with Elmhurst [2], 5g protein per cup. We are talking about 1/5 the dilution! [1] https://www.bluediamond.com/brand/almond-breeze/almondmilk/unsweetened-vanilla https://www.bluediamond.com/brand/almond-breeze/almondmilk/u... [2] https://elmhurst1925.com/products/unsweetened-milked-almonds https://elmhurst1925.com/products/unsweetened-milked-almonds What grinds my gears is that consumers get the idea that they are drinking a healthy beverage with a lot of these plant milks when if they aren't drinking the unsweetened versions, they are basically drinking sugar water! And the unsweetened versions aren't stellar either but at least if you are drinking a bunch of overpriced water, your body won't be getting full off of it, since it's devoid of calories. Elmhurst and Westsoy are expensive but you cannot beat their potency and quality. 365 is a decent brand at a good price for unsweetened soy milk. However its almond milk is just like all the other mass market brands, almost purely water. I think all these brands just fall in line since the taste expectations for plant milks are expectations for water.. :-/ Plus it's cheaper to peddle water than to peddle nuts. Elmhurst has a backbone of integrity and Westsoy does too. But until a few years ago I didn't even know about them. That's capitalism for ya.
  - silverpepsi 5y ago
    "capitalism for ya" I'm reading this as: capitalism means willfully selling people whatever they want to buy, even if they didn't do their homework and buy based on brand name or taste rather than value (nutritional content). But how does that contrast to consumer behavior in other systems like communism and dictatorships? Or....... I mean, to me ignorance is a first order "issue" independent of economic systems. If anything, the often lamented state of education today represents the pinnacle of achievement in human history in terms of the portion of the population that is literate and can effortlessly access info with their literacy and google skills. If they wanted.