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Even though all the science points to infection being better than vaccination at creating immune response, it's not accepted as an alternative. Ridiculous IMO.

by adflux 5y ago

falcolas 5y ago
FWIW, no, all the science does not point to an infection being better than a vaccine. A well cited article that discusses this: https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/10/prior-infection-vs-vaccination-why-everyone-should-get-a-covid-19-shot/ https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/10/prior-infection-vs-v...
- adflux 5y ago
  "Individuals who have had SARS-CoV-2 infection are unlikely to benefit from COVID-19 vaccination," the authors concluded. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v... From the article :')
  - detaro 5y ago
    Yes, an article discussing how different studies show different results also quotes authors of studies that show a negative result, what a surprise... not quite the "gotcha" you suggest it is. It also references studies in the other direction, that's the point of that article.
  - falcolas 5y ago
    I feel like you cherry picked the one study that fits your bias, and ignored the dozen others which do not. Here’s a direct counter from one of the other studies: > The CDC researchers found that people previously infected but unvaccinated were 2.34 times more likely to get reinfected than people who were previously infected and fully vaccinated. And here’s the conclusion of the article: Overall, the variable immune responses to infection, lower neutralization against delta, and the clear boost in protection from a very safe, highly effective vaccine make a strong argument for vaccinating the recovered.
    - kbelder 5y ago
      "> The CDC researchers found that people previously infected but unvaccinated were 2.34 times more likely to get reinfected than people who were previously infected and fully vaccinated." That's not comparing vaccine vs natural immunity. That's comparing vaccine + natural immunity to natural immunity alone. Not what the question is, even though the framing of the study implies otherwards.
      - falcolas 5y ago
        You're right, which is a direct counter to the parent comment of "there's no benefit to getting the vaccine if you've had covid".
        adflux 5y ago
        Which I never stated

Even though all the science points to infection being better than vaccination at creating immune response, it's not accepted as an alternative. Ridiculous IMO.

by adflux 5y ago

Even though all the science points to infection being better than vaccination at creating immune response, it's not accepted as an alternative. Ridiculous IMO.

falcolas 5y ago

FWIW, no, all the science does not point to an infection being better than a vaccine. A well cited article that discusses this: https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/10/prior-infection-vs-vaccination-why-everyone-should-get-a-covid-19-shot/ https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/10/prior-infection-vs-v...

adflux 5y ago
"Individuals who have had SARS-CoV-2 infection are unlikely to benefit from COVID-19 vaccination," the authors concluded. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v... From the article :')
- detaro 5y ago
  Yes, an article discussing how different studies show different results also quotes authors of studies that show a negative result, what a surprise... not quite the "gotcha" you suggest it is. It also references studies in the other direction, that's the point of that article.
- falcolas 5y ago
  I feel like you cherry picked the one study that fits your bias, and ignored the dozen others which do not. Here’s a direct counter from one of the other studies: > The CDC researchers found that people previously infected but unvaccinated were 2.34 times more likely to get reinfected than people who were previously infected and fully vaccinated. And here’s the conclusion of the article: Overall, the variable immune responses to infection, lower neutralization against delta, and the clear boost in protection from a very safe, highly effective vaccine make a strong argument for vaccinating the recovered.
  - kbelder 5y ago
    "> The CDC researchers found that people previously infected but unvaccinated were 2.34 times more likely to get reinfected than people who were previously infected and fully vaccinated." That's not comparing vaccine vs natural immunity. That's comparing vaccine + natural immunity to natural immunity alone. Not what the question is, even though the framing of the study implies otherwards.
    - falcolas 5y ago
      You're right, which is a direct counter to the parent comment of "there's no benefit to getting the vaccine if you've had covid".
      - adflux 5y ago
        Which I never stated