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Wikipedia doesn’t allow for The Grayzone to be used as citations because it’s pro-authoritarian propaganda that launders the worst takes from dictators around t
by heyn05tradamu5 5y ago
Wikipedia doesn’t allow for The Grayzone to be used as citations because it’s pro-authoritarian propaganda that launders the worst takes from dictators around the world. You’ve got Syrian regime apologism, Uyghur genocode denialism, and rampant conspiracism.
You can package that up as “anti-war” if you want, but I think pro-authoritarian is more accurate.
- davidgerard 5y agoMint Press News is similarly a deprecated source, for the same sort of reasons. The present article should be read in the light of that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_268#RfC:_MintPress_News https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Not... There's a whole list of "Daily Mail and worse" at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deprecated_sources https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deprecated_sources
- rbanffy 5y agoThis deprecated sources list is an excellent resource. I couldn’t find a similar one on the Portuguese language site. Are there such lists for non English sources?
- yorwba 5y agoEvery language edition of Wikipedia has their own rules and processes. The Portuguese version appears to have a place to discuss the sources for specific articles, but no blanket list of deprecated sources: https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Fontes_confi%C3%A1veis/Central_de_confiabilidade https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Fontes_confi%C3...
- mandmandam 5y agoIt's incredible how scant the reasoning given for blacklisting MPN on your link is. It's all "cesspool" this and "conspiracy non main-stream" that, with fuck-all actual evidence.
- davidgerard 5y agoexpand the "extended discussion" sections for lengthy detailed cites
- mandmandam 5y agoI don't see an 'extended discussion' section for MPN... There's one for "LifeSiteNews" below it though; are you sure that's not what you're referring to?
- mandmandam 5y agoHaha. I wonder, what is your preferred anti-war media source?
- heyn05tradamu5 5y agoI reject the framing of The Gray Zone as anti-war. Anti-US imperialism sure, but not anti-war. They have no problem minimizing the suffering of millions at the hands of some of the most brutal regimes on the planet. Calling them anti-war is like calling Alex Jones a scientist.
- davidgerard 5y agoI would prefer an "anti-war" site without a track record of making shit up. That's why Gray Zone is deprecated on Wikipedia, for example. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_287#RfC:_Grayzone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Not...
- agul29 5y agoIt's funny how this level of scrutinization only applies to journalists who are critical of US/NATO foreign policy of neocolonialism and US empire expansionism & hegemony, but never to organizations like BBC, CNN, NYT who have been exposed to churn out some of the biggest lies, especially against US propaganda targets.
- mandmandam 5y agoIt's a remarkably consistent phenomenon, on WP and elsewhere. This page [0] goes some way to showing just how deeply biased Wikipedia has acted against Grayzone and others like it: [0] https://mronline.org/2020/06/15/wikipedia-formally-censors-the-grayzone-as-regime-change-advocates-monopolize-editing/ https://mronline.org/2020/06/15/wikipedia-formally-censors-t...
- Synaesthesia 5y agoTheir articles are generally really well researched and they actually call for an end to all war in Syria. Thy're consistently anti-war.