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Background: normal indian software dude mid 20's. Always wanted to go abroad from childhood but poverty. Recently got the urge to do something with my life (pr
by ir123 5y ago
Background: normal indian software dude mid 20's. Always wanted to go abroad from childhood but poverty.
Recently got the urge to do something with my life (probably because the whole pandemic situation was really monotonous). Tried hard and got an opportunity to move to Amsterdam and I took it. I went with almost zero preparation because, I mean its a first world country, I can buy everything there and what could go wrong?
Its been more than a month and here are my thoughts. Abroad is good, its definitely not India, things actually work. Public transport works! If you want to reach anywhere within Netherlands (or even in EU), google maps will show you the correct route for public transport and the timings will be correct to the minute. It's really convenient.
All the laws here make sense and you feel like some one has put some thought into it and the people making the laws are competent. There's no pollution whatsoever and the air feels clean. It feels almost exactly like the time I travelled across Himachal and Uttarakhand, but this I feel everywhere in the city.
I can see that there's a lot of trust put into people, for example, in grocery shops, you can buy your stuff and scan them on your own and pay them on your own and take the stuff outside. Literally no one checks (or if they do discreetly, I'm not sure). And on a related note, compared to India, very few people work to "serve" you. In the sense that in a huge decathlon or a grocery shop there will be like 2-3 employees only and even they don't do much. Everything works by card and almost no one takes cash (save for one haircut I got).
Now to the "bad" parts.
The place seems a bit dead, I'm not gonna lie. I'm not great at socialising but I don't absolutely suck at it. That said, it is very hard to mingle and socialise with people. Having come alone to this city, man... its so hard to get stuff done when you have no friends. There's no soul in any conversation, people will help you but that's it. Don't expect friendship with the locals at all. In fact I'm finding it hard to make friends with anyone. Where am I supposed to find them? And the worst part is, office is closed due to covid so that's one door closed. I have gone 3-4 days where I literally talked to no one. It does get creepily lonely sometimes but I have learned to deal with it.
Everything is soo costly here, think 5 to 6 times that of India on average. I literally spend 2 euros on a 20 minute bus ride. 2 euros will get me a private Uber in India. I cry every time I buy vegetables and don't get me started on the fruits. I know I earn in euros but still, I'm not used to caring about grocery costs. Ironically, I'm saving less money in Europe than in India even with the Dutch 30% ruling for skilled immigrants.
Overall, I honestly think abroad very overrated. Once you actually start experiencing day to day, you will eventually realise this.
I had a comfortable life in India. I was earning enough, I had no struggles and I had my family and a few friends. I don't know what the fuck got into me but here I am. I hope things get better but I won't bank on it. I have made a plan to come back to India every 3 months or so and to come back permanently by 2 years in the worst case.
- montblanc 5y ago> I had a comfortable life in India. I was earning enough, I had no struggles and I had my family and a few friends. I don't know what the fuck got into me but here I am I think you should just go back. I did the same move to NL from a different place. Here's the thing; some things there's no getting used to 1) The weather is absolutely horrendous. If you're used to Indian sun forget it, you will be miserable for big parts of the year. 2) The language: It's just better to be born in NL. English is too comfortable to get by there so you don't invest enough in learning Dutch. I heard stories of people living 20 years there without knowing proper Dutch. Sure you can work on it and it's up to you but it's a struggle that many people lose. 3) The mentality: there will always be some annoying barrier making it extremely difficult to befriends actual locals. The ones who are open to meet you are sadly often times super weird. The "normal" ones don't really need a "weird" immigrant friend it seems. And on top of that they would prefer to speak Dutch after long day's work which makes sense. 4) The taxes: Are simply brutal. The country is amazing so some of the taxes is used wisely, but still. Why do kindergartens cost so much? In Berlin they are free! As a tech worker you are real middle class since it's not a luxurious job in NL (most accountants, lawyers and even school teachers make more or the same as you in NL), you will feel the squeeze a bit. 5) Most tech companies don't offer any shares/options. For such a socialist country this is a head scratcher to me. 6) But mostly dude the weather ...made it unlivable to me and we decided to move back after 3.5 years. Those freaking winds and endless gray skies, I'd cry every time I'd look at the weather forecast. I suggest you look at it as an adventure, try have some fun and if you discover life in India was actually working out good - just go back. Immigrant life is way way overrated.
- aszen 5y agoI moved recently to netherlands and a lot of your experience mirrors with mine, but thankfully i have been able to make some connections by joining different activities like gym, kick boxing, soccer etc. I think if your are earning well enough in India, it's always going to be more comfortable than here but that doesn't mean one shouldn't get out of one's comfort zone and travel. It's okay to go and work outside, gain some experience and then later on return if you don't end up liking it.
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