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Subtext of the claim: US-funded hackers broke into offshore banking service providers to expose geopolitical enemies while protecting their own Proof: none

by ridaj 5y ago

kome 5y ago
yeah, but i think it's a good hypothesis.
- ridaj 5y ago
  Based on?
  - kome 5y ago
    "Yet spy services are increasingly using a WikiLeaks-like model of posting stolen materials online. In 2018, the Trump administration granted the CIA aggressive new secret authorities to undertake the same sort of hack-and-dump operations for which Russian intelligence has used WikiLeaks. Among other actions, the agency has used its new powers to covertly release information online about a Russian company that worked with Moscow’s spy apparatus." https://news.yahoo.com/kidnapping-assassination-and-a-london-shoot-out-inside-the-ci-as-secret-war-plans-against-wiki-leaks-090057786.html https://news.yahoo.com/kidnapping-assassination-and-a-london... So, now the CIA can use "hack-and-dump operations". So, now so when I see a big "hack-and-dump operations" with 0 results about the US, it is - at least - a bit suspicious.
    - jessaustin 5y ago
      As usual, the very worst accusations out of our "intelligence" bureaucracy are entirely projection.
sonotathrowaway 5y ago
I think he intended the whataboutism part around assange as guilt by implication - does that count? In any case, he buried the lede at the very end of the story, after briefly mentioning in the beginning that he worked with the director of the program: “ Who is calling the shots? One man apparently, Gerard Ryle. In the wake of the Panama Papers, when we asked Ryle on a number of occasions for an ICIJ log-in to analyse the data, we were denied. “My path, my call,” said Ryle. We already have our media partners, he said. “ This reads more like his feelings were hurt by not being included.
- ridaj 5y ago
  Ah yes I forgot that part. The dark shadow at the center of it all is my former colleague who thinks he's better than me hence must be a US stooge...
pharmakom 5y ago
What about tony Blair? He was very happy to follow the us when he was in power and is trying to get back into politics (indirectly) now.
- ridaj 5y ago
  Exactly, that doesn't really hold up...
jessaustin 5y ago
There seems to be a parallel between this subtext and similar ones that emerged after previous leaks. "Russia-funded hackers broke into one party's emails to expose geopolitical enemies while protecting their stooge."
- jessaustin 5y ago
  Proof: none
refurb 5y ago
All those rich people are doubly guilty because there isn’t any evidence they broke the law because they hid it all. Get it?
- mandmandam 5y ago
  This but non-sarcastically, and at institutional scale. The non-action of the IRS vs the .1% is quite well documented: https://www.gq.com/story/no-irs-audits-for-the-rich https://www.gq.com/story/no-irs-audits-for-the-rich > "ProPublica estimates that as a result, the U.S. is losing at least $18 billion dollars in revenue each year. In a letter to Congress, Rettig told Democratic senator Ron Wyden of Oregon that he and the agency are well aware that it would be far more lucrative and productive to pursue tax fraud and evasion of the wealthiest Americans, but without Congress restoring its budget, there's no way to make that happen." I have no doubt that $18 billion figure is wildly underestimated. In Ireland we lose at least 10 billion euro a year to tax evasion by the wealthiest, with only 5 million people.
  - refurb 5y ago
    One reason why low income tax payers are so commonly audited is due to the earned income tax credit (EITC). It’s a direct cash transfers from the government to low income earners and easily abused.
    - jessaustin 5y ago
      If it were "abused" by 100% of filers, it would almost be a UBI. Which would be a good thing. (It would be even better if the procedure for receiving it were "be a human living in USA", rather than submitting complicated bureaucratic forms on a particular schedule.) The problem with EITC and other similar benefits such as those instituted temporarily in response to Covid pandemic is that such benefits invariably have complicated means tests. Without that, not only would IRS examiners have more time to go after the big evaders, not only would more of the "deserving poor" actually receive the benefit, but also it would be great for the economy.
    - mandmandam 5y ago

Subtext of the claim: US-funded hackers broke into offshore banking service providers to expose geopolitical enemies while protecting their own Proof: none

by ridaj 5y ago

Subtext of the claim: US-funded hackers broke into offshore banking service providers to expose geopolitical enemies while protecting their own Proof: none

kome 5y ago

yeah, but i think it's a good hypothesis.

ridaj 5y ago
Based on?
- kome 5y ago
  "Yet spy services are increasingly using a WikiLeaks-like model of posting stolen materials online. In 2018, the Trump administration granted the CIA aggressive new secret authorities to undertake the same sort of hack-and-dump operations for which Russian intelligence has used WikiLeaks. Among other actions, the agency has used its new powers to covertly release information online about a Russian company that worked with Moscow’s spy apparatus." https://news.yahoo.com/kidnapping-assassination-and-a-london-shoot-out-inside-the-ci-as-secret-war-plans-against-wiki-leaks-090057786.html https://news.yahoo.com/kidnapping-assassination-and-a-london... So, now the CIA can use "hack-and-dump operations". So, now so when I see a big "hack-and-dump operations" with 0 results about the US, it is - at least - a bit suspicious.
  - jessaustin 5y ago
    As usual, the very worst accusations out of our "intelligence" bureaucracy are entirely projection.

sonotathrowaway 5y ago

I think he intended the whataboutism part around assange as guilt by implication - does that count? In any case, he buried the lede at the very end of the story, after briefly mentioning in the beginning that he worked with the director of the program: “ Who is calling the shots? One man apparently, Gerard Ryle. In the wake of the Panama Papers, when we asked Ryle on a number of occasions for an ICIJ log-in to analyse the data, we were denied. “My path, my call,” said Ryle. We already have our media partners, he said. “ This reads more like his feelings were hurt by not being included.

ridaj 5y ago
Ah yes I forgot that part. The dark shadow at the center of it all is my former colleague who thinks he's better than me hence must be a US stooge...

pharmakom 5y ago

What about tony Blair? He was very happy to follow the us when he was in power and is trying to get back into politics (indirectly) now.

ridaj 5y ago
Exactly, that doesn't really hold up...

jessaustin 5y ago

There seems to be a parallel between this subtext and similar ones that emerged after previous leaks. "Russia-funded hackers broke into one party's emails to expose geopolitical enemies while protecting their stooge."

jessaustin 5y ago
Proof: none

refurb 5y ago

All those rich people are doubly guilty because there isn’t any evidence they broke the law because they hid it all. Get it?

mandmandam 5y ago
This but non-sarcastically, and at institutional scale. The non-action of the IRS vs the .1% is quite well documented: https://www.gq.com/story/no-irs-audits-for-the-rich https://www.gq.com/story/no-irs-audits-for-the-rich > "ProPublica estimates that as a result, the U.S. is losing at least $18 billion dollars in revenue each year. In a letter to Congress, Rettig told Democratic senator Ron Wyden of Oregon that he and the agency are well aware that it would be far more lucrative and productive to pursue tax fraud and evasion of the wealthiest Americans, but without Congress restoring its budget, there's no way to make that happen." I have no doubt that $18 billion figure is wildly underestimated. In Ireland we lose at least 10 billion euro a year to tax evasion by the wealthiest, with only 5 million people.
- refurb 5y ago
  One reason why low income tax payers are so commonly audited is due to the earned income tax credit (EITC). It’s a direct cash transfers from the government to low income earners and easily abused.
  - jessaustin 5y ago
    If it were "abused" by 100% of filers, it would almost be a UBI. Which would be a good thing. (It would be even better if the procedure for receiving it were "be a human living in USA", rather than submitting complicated bureaucratic forms on a particular schedule.) The problem with EITC and other similar benefits such as those instituted temporarily in response to Covid pandemic is that such benefits invariably have complicated means tests. Without that, not only would IRS examiners have more time to go after the big evaders, not only would more of the "deserving poor" actually receive the benefit, but also it would be great for the economy.
  - mandmandam 5y ago