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I'm not talking about Zuck trying to buy a personality in the form of a custom yacht. I'm talking about Epstein and people like that who prefer to rent people a

I'm not talking about Zuck trying to buy a personality in the form of a custom yacht. I'm talking about Epstein and people like that who prefer to rent people against their will, or the Sacklers who will gladly set ethics and death tolls aside if there is enough profit opportunity. Billionaires should to go jail for tax fraud, preferably in proportion to the amount of money they stole. They are not running their itemized deductions by a typical accounting firm. They are seeking out teams of lawyers and accountants with a reputation for hiding money, and paying millions of dollars because they expect them to be good at it.

roenxi 5y ago
Most of your points I'm ignoring, but just pointing out the part that seems most obvious to me... If a large team of expert lawyers and accountants comes up with a plan of action, the odds of it being illegal are tiny. It isn't a fair process, unbiased or transparent. But it doesn't make much sense to expect that billionaires would be jailed for tax fraud. They've got more money than they can spend, why risk going to jail at all. They might do that, but it isn't a rational thing to do. Sure it can happen, but there needs to be actual evidence before anyone should assume it is widespread.
- nicoffeine 5y ago
  > Most of your points I'm ignoring Easier than a counterpoint, sure. > Sure it can happen, but there needs to be actual evidence before anyone should assume it is widespread. Do[1] you[2] read[3] the[4] news[5]? [1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-10-01/russian-billionaire-tinkov-to-pay-500-million-in-u-s-tax-fraud https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-10-01/russian-b... [2] https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-billionaire-behind-the-biggest-u-s-tax-fraud-case-ever-filed-11614785519 https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-billionaire-behind-the-bigg... [3] https://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherhelman/2021/04/16/tax-attorney-faces-14-years-in-prison-for-allegedly-helping-billionaires-robert-smith-and-bob-brockman-dodge-the-irs/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherhelman/2021/04/16/ta... [4] https://slate.com/business/2014/05/richard-branson-tax-fraud-how-a-youthful-indiscretion-helped-create-a-billionaire.html https://slate.com/business/2014/05/richard-branson-tax-fraud... [5] https://www.forbes.com/sites/ywang/2021/08/24/companies-linked-to-chinese-billionaire-convicted-of-18-billion-tariff-evasion-scheme/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/ywang/2021/08/24/companies-link...

roenxi 5y ago

Most of your points I'm ignoring, but just pointing out the part that seems most obvious to me... If a large team of expert lawyers and accountants comes up with a plan of action, the odds of it being illegal are tiny. It isn't a fair process, unbiased or transparent. But it doesn't make much sense to expect that billionaires would be jailed for tax fraud. They've got more money than they can spend, why risk going to jail at all. They might do that, but it isn't a rational thing to do. Sure it can happen, but there needs to be actual evidence before anyone should assume it is widespread.

nicoffeine 5y ago
> Most of your points I'm ignoring Easier than a counterpoint, sure. > Sure it can happen, but there needs to be actual evidence before anyone should assume it is widespread. Do[1] you[2] read[3] the[4] news[5]? [1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-10-01/russian-billionaire-tinkov-to-pay-500-million-in-u-s-tax-fraud https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-10-01/russian-b... [2] https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-billionaire-behind-the-biggest-u-s-tax-fraud-case-ever-filed-11614785519 https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-billionaire-behind-the-bigg... [3] https://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherhelman/2021/04/16/tax-attorney-faces-14-years-in-prison-for-allegedly-helping-billionaires-robert-smith-and-bob-brockman-dodge-the-irs/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherhelman/2021/04/16/ta... [4] https://slate.com/business/2014/05/richard-branson-tax-fraud-how-a-youthful-indiscretion-helped-create-a-billionaire.html https://slate.com/business/2014/05/richard-branson-tax-fraud... [5] https://www.forbes.com/sites/ywang/2021/08/24/companies-linked-to-chinese-billionaire-convicted-of-18-billion-tariff-evasion-scheme/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/ywang/2021/08/24/companies-link...