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This is not at all true in Iceland. It was more of a 50% reduction in hospitalizations and our emergency ICU filled up with plenty of fully vaccinated persons.

This is not at all true in Iceland. It was more of a 50% reduction in hospitalizations and our emergency ICU filled up with plenty of fully vaccinated persons. They are relatively fewer that unvaccinated, but no fucking way near the 90% constantly touted in these forums. Mostly frail and obese ofcourse but that is pretty much the same as the unvaccinated account. We had to go back to our modest restrictions even with a very high vaccination rate because of this. On a side note, I am on of the 20000 Icelanders that got full double moderna inocculation and I suffered through the absolute worst nights of my life after the second dose. Took about one month to recover. But I digress. I have to admit that I am nervous about the winter surge. Our hospital system is full to the brink with non covid patients. Its now in a much worse state than it was during the entire past 18 panic months of lockdown and masks. Mostly frail elderly that we do not have any other beds in nursing homes for. Not a single fucking mention og hospital collapse though. We have patiens in staff breakrooms becuse the hospital is so full. The fancy reporting of the fantastic vaccine efficacy actually translated to about half of what the medical companies promised. We are potentially looking at yet another lockdown winter because we have almost no natural immunity ( which is recognized in Iceland as far superiour to vaccine immunity) and our shit healthcare system is already in deep trouble. The mainstream medias, blatant lies, are easy to verify in Iceland because we are such a tiny homogenous population with very good concise records. Look at our actual data on covid.is.

orra 5y ago
> It was more of a 50% reduction No, it's better than you think. According to my favourite immunologist, Iceland reports vaccine effectiveness of 60% against ANY infection and 90% against severe disease. See thread at https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout/status/1427614145214550020 https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout/status/142761414521455002.... > and our emergency ICU filled up with plenty of fully vaccinated persons Yes, because sadly lots of people caught COVID, not because vaccines don't work. It's worth remembering, also, that vaccination reduces transmission, in turn reducing severe cases.
- angelzen 5y ago
  The reduction in transmission rates is smaller than you'd think. At 3 months the reduction has diminished substantially, 58% transmission risk, marginally better than 67% for unvaccinated people. There is no data yet for 6 months, 1 year, 5 years. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02689-y https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02689-y https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.09.28.21264260v1 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.09.28.21264260v...
  - orra 5y ago
    Erm, I was explicitly talking about reduction in hospitalisation and death, not of transmission (from infected people). Those are separate aspects of vaccine peotection.
    - angelzen 5y ago
      > It's worth remembering, also, that vaccination reduces transmission, in turn reducing severe cases.
shock 5y ago
> On a side note, I am on of the 20000 Icelanders that got full double moderna inocculation and I suffered through the absolute worst nights of my life after the second dose. I'm sorry you had that experience. I have a friend who had a similar experience (4 agonizing days) after his second Moderna dose and swore the he will not get a third one. Based on that I have to believe it was truly awful. One the other hand I have several other friends who were quite fine afer Moderna. I wish we had the means to distinguish between the two groups, so nobody else has to endure what you did.
belltaco 5y ago
>They are relatively fewer that unvaccinated, but no fucking way near the 90% constantly touted in these forums. Imagine there are 100 vaccinated and 5 unvaccinated vulnerable people, and all of them are exposed to covid. At 95% effectiveness against hospitalization, you'd have 5 vaccinated and 5 unvaccinated, i.e 50-50. The OP is referring to places with lower percentages of vaccinated than Iceland.
- angelzen 5y ago
  That is a good illustration of the concept of vaccine effectiveness, but assumes infection translates into hospitalization 100% of the times. The real hospitalization rate is 1-5%, though half the country believes it is >50%...

orra 5y ago

> It was more of a 50% reduction No, it's better than you think. According to my favourite immunologist, Iceland reports vaccine effectiveness of 60% against ANY infection and 90% against severe disease. See thread at https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout/status/1427614145214550020 https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout/status/142761414521455002.... > and our emergency ICU filled up with plenty of fully vaccinated persons Yes, because sadly lots of people caught COVID, not because vaccines don't work. It's worth remembering, also, that vaccination reduces transmission, in turn reducing severe cases.

angelzen 5y ago
The reduction in transmission rates is smaller than you'd think. At 3 months the reduction has diminished substantially, 58% transmission risk, marginally better than 67% for unvaccinated people. There is no data yet for 6 months, 1 year, 5 years. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02689-y https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02689-y https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.09.28.21264260v1 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.09.28.21264260v...
- orra 5y ago
  Erm, I was explicitly talking about reduction in hospitalisation and death, not of transmission (from infected people). Those are separate aspects of vaccine peotection.
  - angelzen 5y ago
    > It's worth remembering, also, that vaccination reduces transmission, in turn reducing severe cases.

shock 5y ago

> On a side note, I am on of the 20000 Icelanders that got full double moderna inocculation and I suffered through the absolute worst nights of my life after the second dose. I'm sorry you had that experience. I have a friend who had a similar experience (4 agonizing days) after his second Moderna dose and swore the he will not get a third one. Based on that I have to believe it was truly awful. One the other hand I have several other friends who were quite fine afer Moderna. I wish we had the means to distinguish between the two groups, so nobody else has to endure what you did.

belltaco 5y ago

>They are relatively fewer that unvaccinated, but no fucking way near the 90% constantly touted in these forums. Imagine there are 100 vaccinated and 5 unvaccinated vulnerable people, and all of them are exposed to covid. At 95% effectiveness against hospitalization, you'd have 5 vaccinated and 5 unvaccinated, i.e 50-50. The OP is referring to places with lower percentages of vaccinated than Iceland.

angelzen 5y ago
That is a good illustration of the concept of vaccine effectiveness, but assumes infection translates into hospitalization 100% of the times. The real hospitalization rate is 1-5%, though half the country believes it is >50%...