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I honestly believe that the leaders at Mozilla are actively trying to ruin Firefox, and are perhaps paid off/run by people with interests in another competing b
by dingdongbing 5y ago
I honestly believe that the leaders at Mozilla are actively trying to ruin Firefox, and are perhaps paid off/run by people with interests in another competing browser. Even if that's the case I can't keep using this shitty browser, Chromium here I come
- uniqueid 5y agoI'm out! I don't care how few users Firefox has. I do care that the product has become a pile of garbage. I already tolerate the dumb tab bar, the update nag screen that interrupts my work, the telemetry setting that doesn't actually disable telemetry, the web services I don't want like Pocket, the ads, the memory issues that hobble my machine when I stream video... I won't move to a browser like Chromium with a connection to Google, but I'm moving to something. I'm done with Firefox.
- readflaggedcomm 5y ago>the update nag screen that interrupts my work If you're on Linux, exclude it from automatic updates in your package manager, and it won't interrupt you. On Windows, you should be able to set app.update.auto to false in about:config, but I don't know if that still works.
- seoaeu 5y agoAnd what browser would that be? Mozilla keeps doing these things because they're desperately searching for a revenue stream that doesn't make them beholden to their biggest competitor. There aren't any other viable options because no one else knows of any better revenue streams for web browsers either
- goalieca 5y agoOf Wikipedia can survive on donation, why not Firefox and MDN?
- contravariant 5y agoFirefox might survive, but the salaries of the people in charge of that decision might not.
- dandotway 5y agoBoom. "Mozilla Firefox Usage Down 85% but why are Exec’s Salary Up 400%?" https://itdm.com/mozilla-firefox-usage-down-85-but-why-are-execs-salary-up-400/2050/ https://itdm.com/mozilla-firefox-usage-down-85-but-why-are-e...
- kbelder 5y agoFirefox could, I think. I don't think the Mozilla Foundation could. And that's the rub, at least to those in charge at the Mozilla Foundation.
- seoaeu 5y agoTo avoid significant layoffs they'd something like 10% of their user base to donate $20/year. I'm far from an expert on nonprofit finances, but that strikes me as a tough but potentially doable goal
- mulmen 5y agoThere is no single piece of software I use more than Firefox. At $20.00/month it would be a bargain. Assuming it wasn’t a dumpster fire.
- prepend 5y agoTheir cost base is too bloated. The reason I stopped donating to Mozilla is because they have too many people not doing things I think are important and are paying their executives too much.
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- kjaftaedi 5y agoOpera / Vivaldi
- c80e74f077 5y agowhat about Firefox's forks such as Waterfox[1], Pale Moon[2], IceCat[3], SeaMonkey[4]...? Genuinely asking. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterfox https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterfox [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale_Moon_(web_browser) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale_Moon_(web_browser) [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_IceCat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_IceCat [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SeaMonkey https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SeaMonkey
- revolvingocelot 5y agoWaterfox is owned by an ad company, which IMO is enough to disqualify it. Sure it's probably fine now, but it'll assuredly have problems soon.
- uniqueid 5y agoOf the four, I've only ever heard of SeaMonkey before. I'll definitely check them out though.
- thayne 5y agoNone of these projects have enough resources to keep up with web standards, and patch security bugs on their own. So forks are either almost the same as Firefox, or may be less secure and/or doesn't work for as many websites and addons as Firefox.
- magnaton 5y agoTry LibreWolf -- it's Firefox with the nasty stuff stripped out. You can use your existing Firefox profile, but be sure to go through LibreWolf's settings as some of the defauts may be different than what you already have set up (they select privacy-protecting options by default).
- moralestapia 5y agoTry Brave, really. I always had issues with Chrome and RAM usage. Brave behaves better, plus the UI is slick. People here complain about it having some sort of cryptocurrency embedded, but it's opt-in, so as long as you don't enable it, I don't see the issue. Plus it comes with an ad-blocker / anti-tracker out of the box. Seems to me that Brendan Eich actually knows what he's doing.
- t-writescode 5y agoBrave would be better if they replaced ads with their own ads. Last I used Brave, it gave me stupid little popups on my notification bar and that's, to me, worse than in-page ads.
- dandotway 5y agoUsing Brave right now and no stupid popups. Make sure you turn off "Brave ads" or whatever causes popups. Always scan through every option in Settings at least once and turn all the junk off. The only mild annoyance left after doing this is that sometimes the new tab page has a little box shilling some Crypto coin biz which you can then silence. If this is all I have to suffer in order to fund a solid de-googled Chromium it's not too bad.
- BrendanEich 5y agoWe don't put any popups anywhere by default. Are you sure the website wasn't trying, which flies a permission prompt same as in Chrome and other browsers?
- hsod 5y agoNot sure your definition of pop ups but the brave ad units definitely “pop up” over my browser screen and I never opted in (iOS)
- t-writescode 5y agoI turned on the special, approved Brave ads thing last time I used it because I wanted to support Brave; and they only showed up as little pop ups on the systray and were infinitely more annoying to me than a static banner ad.
- cedilla 5y agoChromium also has search suggestions by Google per default.
- pcwalton 5y agoJust so I understand you, is your position that Sundar Pichai or Tim Cook or whoever is approaching Mozilla employees in dark alleys, Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory Slugworth style, and offering cash to covertly sabotage the product?
- jobigoud 5y agoAnd to protest they go use their product instead.
- ergot_vacation 5y agoIt's really amazing how far Firefox has fallen. This used to be a browser people bought TSHIRTS for. TSHIRTS! And wore them! And not just in SV: I'd see them in the wild in small cities too. The discussion is always the same, I'm not sure what can be added at this point. Yes the way they're actively destroying it is mystifying, yes, maybe money issues are part of that but god can't you just make your own browser? Mozilla's problem, more than any specific incident like this, is that they've become completely incapable of thinking for themselves. Everything is a follower move, trying to find something popular and than emulating it. I'll continue to use FF, but only because it's easier to massively "tweak" into a usable product than chrome.
- prepend 5y agoThey fired Eich and turned from a company of smart engineers and users of their product to randos who work on weird projects using their big paycheck from Google. Their products suck because they don’t care about them. They don’t genuinely want to compete with or anger Google for fear of losing funding. They’d be better off cutting down to a lean $5/year spend and just making a browser. I think.
- tdeck 5y agoA lot of their lack of focus predated Brendan Eich's 11 day CEO tenure. By 2014 Firefox had already lost a ton of mindshare and Mozilla was working on their unsuccessful Firefox Phone.
- revolvingocelot 5y agoBefore reading TFA, I would have called you paranoid. Now I wonder... Excluding Firefox from my package manager won't work for long -- surely I'll have to update, just for security purposes. Does anyone know of a good Firefox fork?